Silver Train to Suburban Handicap

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

Hoist,

Did you say he looked OK in the last 1/16th? You too are high. Sun King beats him by open lengths if the race is another 1/8th. I guess you missed Sun King coming on????

That has got to be the stupidest logic I ever saw. If my aunt had a set on her she would be my uncle.
First of all, when the riders went to the gate they knew the race was a mile, not a mile an eigth, and they rode accordingly!!! Do you really think Prado woulda sped like that if he knew they had another eigth to run? Of course not. Also the training of the horses for that race was for a MILE!!! Workouts and gallops woulda been modified.
To use the finish of a race at a different distance and say soemthing like that makes absolutely no sense at all, as conditions in a longer race would have been totally different.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I am not going to disagree they may have trained differently. I will tell you that at the end, ST was all out to hold on and SK was just getting into gear. I am not saying some horse beaten 5 lengths would get him at a longer distance. I am telling you if the race were one more hop ST likely loses, becasue he was gased. I hope Dutrow can do it. I root for people not against them. But I do call the races as I see them.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

I am not going to disagree they may have trained differently. I will tell you that at the end, ST was all out to hold on and SK was just getting into gear. I am not saying some horse beaten 5 lengths would get him at a longer distance. I am telling you if the race were one more hop ST likely loses, becasue he was gased. I hope Dutrow can do it. I root for people not against them. But I do call the races as I see them.

Well as you see them doesnt impress me much. The pace was wicked, scorching, and brutal. And ST cut it and pushed it the whole way and still helf off SK who had an ideal trip with that pace setting up his late run. Of the two, there is no doubt who ran the better race, ST. Not just because he won, but because he had to use so much energy in the wicked pace while the other was loping along.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I can't say I disagree. I bet you Dutrow would say he might have left him a little short for the mile and Sun King's trainer wished the jock had moved sooner. I think they are both good horses. I think you are on the money about one thing, SK needs pace. But then Motion showed us all how easy that is to get.

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

I can't say I disagree. I bet you Dutrow would say he might have left him a little short for the mile and Sun King's trainer wished the jock had moved sooner. I think they are both good horses. I think you are on the money about one thing, SK needs pace. But then Motion showed us all how easy that is to get.

The Maryland horsie set cracks me up with their arrogance. Dutrow uses two rabbits last fall in the Woodward and he gets condemned. Motion does it all the time and hes smart. LOL!!!!!!!! Whata crock.
Im my opinion both are smart, if its within the rules, you use it to your advantage if you can.

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By the way I think we should all acknowledge the wonderful ride Prado gave Silver Train yesterday, wow. Thats why hes the best out there in big races.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

I never condemned Dutrow or Motion. I agree use it. I just stated one guy who uses it all the time.

The basic point, for you Oracle since you seemed to have missed it, was that while you pointed out SK needing pace as some sort of flaw, I proved it wasn't with facts and data. Motion, among others, just buy pace. FACT!