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Old 10-06-2009, 05:04 AM
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Arc winners are notoriously great bets in the Turf.
Completely statistically irrelevant
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:03 PM
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Completely statistically irrelevant
I think the stats are somewhat misleading in this case, High Chaparral finished 3rd in the Arc twice but also won the BC twice so I'm not sure what we can draw from this Arc jinx stat, Arc winners are a poor bet for other reasons, usually because they are an underlay.
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Old 10-06-2009, 01:36 PM
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I think the stats are somewhat misleading in this case, High Chaparral finished 3rd in the Arc twice but also won the BC twice so I'm not sure what we can draw from this Arc jinx stat, Arc winners are a poor bet for other reasons, usually because they are an underlay.
A lot of horses have lost the Arc and then won the BC. Same thing as the QE II and the Mile. Several have lost that race and won the Mile. But none have won both just as none have won the Arc and Turf.

I don't have any stats to look at but I've heard a lot of talk and seen a few runners from the BC that have run one more time during that same year after the BC and have suffered some big upsets. I just think it's more than a coincidence that none have won either of Europe's two big races for distance horses or miler and then come over here and won. I feel that you have a better chance of seeing one of those horses come out of those races and win a BC race if the BC has been on the agenda all along. Maybe they train them a little different and leave a little in the tank. I don't know. Maybe they skip a race earlier in the season so that they aren't as worn down at the end. But a horse like Sea the Stars, they had him set to peak at the Arc and the BC has never been set in stone.
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Old 10-06-2009, 02:20 PM
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Maybe they train them a little different and leave a little in the tank. I don't know. Maybe they skip a race earlier in the season so that they aren't as worn down at the end. But a horse like Sea the Stars, they had him set to peak at the Arc and the BC has never been set in stone.
I thought the Arc was only a go depending on the ground and it wasn't written in stone unless the ground was good, it wasn't an afterthought but in european racing publications(not just the racingpost) it was said he had a long season already and that he might have been over the top for the Arc.

Yeah I doubt there are any trainer's that use the arc as a prep for the BC turf.
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I thought the Arc was only a go depending on the ground and it wasn't written in stone unless the ground was good, it wasn't an afterthought but in european racing publications(not just the racingpost) it was said he had a long season already and that he might have been over the top for the Arc.

Yeah I doubt there are any trainer's that use the arc as a prep for the BC turf.
Not as a prep race but the racing world has changed. The Arc used to be the end of the racing season for the Europeans. Then along came the BC. Now they have the big money races in Asia at the end of the season. The landscape has changed and the goals aren't the same as they always have been.
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A lot of horses have lost the Arc and then won the BC. Same thing as the QE II and the Mile. Several have lost that race and won the Mile. But none have won both just as none have won the Arc and Turf.
Did Sirroco run in the arc also? I can't remember...He may have.
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