"Spaced" Races And "Fresh" Horses Are Killing The Sport

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Actually, they do train them for two year old sales just as they would for a race. What you have to understand (you probably do know) is that they breeze/(warm them up) them before they make them gun down the stretch in a two year old in training sale, just as in a race. They gallop around for a bit, and then come blazing down the stretch, just as you would do in a race. You rate, and then you run as fast as you can down. It's not like they just go out there and run for 1/8 of a mile and then they're done in a two year old training sale. Sure more speed is utilized in the two year old in training sales because the faster the horses go, the more that they sell for. The reason the horses are able to run so fast is that it is not the same as being in a five and a half or six furlong race...they don't have to utilize their speed that far. Is it hard on the young horses..absolutely..

[Cannon Shell]

If you trained your 2 year old racehorses like a 2 year old sales horse, you would not have very many left to be three year old racehorses.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If you trained your 2 year old racehorses like a 2 year old sales horse, you would not have very many left to be three year old racehorses.

That's not true. Most of the good consignors do not push their horses in the workouts before the preview. Most of the horse only have 1-2 workouts before the preview. If we are talking about a horse who works :10 1/5 at the preview, he probably only worked in :11 breezing before that. The consignors want the horses to peak at the preview. If they give them a really hard work before the preview, the horse might get hurt. The good consignors are not going to take that chance. They basically prepare the horse the same way they would prepare him for a race. If they were going to prepare the horse for a 5 furlong race, if they gave the horse any 5 furlong workouts, the workouts would probaly be in 1:01 even though the horse would run the race much faster than that. The horse may run the race in :58 2/5 but the trainer isn't going to work him that fast in preparation.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That's not true. Most of the good consignors do not push their horses in the workouts before the preview. Most of the horse only have 1-2 workouts before the preview. If we are talking about a horse who works :10 1/5 at the preview, he probably only worked in :11 breezing before that. The consignors want the horses to peak at the preview. If they give them a really hard work before the preview, the horse might get hurt. The good consignors are not going to take that chance. They basically prepare the horse the same way they would prepare him for a race. If they were going to prepare the horse for a 5 furlong race, if they gave the horse any 5 furlong workouts, the workouts would probaly be in 1:01 even though the horse would run the race much faster than that. The horse may run the race in :58 2/5 but the trainer isn't going to work him that fast in preparation.

Rupe baby you are way off on this one. Remember that once entered in a sale they have a d-day that things have to be right on. They dont stop on them or back off if they have issues, they plow through and make them work. Just the amount of vet work alone done on these babies in jan/Feb/March is enough to give pause before buying one of these used cars. There is a big difference in how you get a baby ready to sell or to race.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Rupe baby you are way off on this one. Remember that once entered in a sale they have a d-day that things have to be right on. They dont stop on them or back off if they have issues, they plow through and make them work. Just the amount of vet work alone done on these babies in jan/Feb/March is enough to give pause before buying one of these used cars. There is a big difference in how you get a baby ready to sell or to race.

I'm not way off here. Not only do I buy horses at these sales but we sell them too. If a horse has an injury, we will back of and withdraw him from the sale.

They will often times back off if the horse has issues. If the horse has sore shins they will go on with him. But if the horse has a serious problem, they will back off. Nobody is going to buy a horse with a serious problem.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm not way off here. Not only do I buy horses at these sales but we sell them too. If a horse has an injury, we will back of and withdraw him from the sale.

They will often times back off if the horse has issues. If the horse has sore shins they will go on with him. But if the horse has a serious problem, they will back off. Nobody is going to buy a horse with a serious problem.

YOU may do these things but the vast majority of sales trainers dont.

Define serious problem.

If you are selling then let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen vet work done on a 2 year old at the sale that would not been done if that horse was not in a sale?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

YOU may do these things but the vast majority of sales trainers dont.

Define serious problem.

If you are selling then let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen vet work done on a 2 year old at the sale that would not been done if that horse was not in a sale?

As I said before, the main physical issue that they will push a horse with is sore shins. That would be the one physical issue that they treat differently with a sales horse. If you have a 2 year old that you are keeping and he has sore shins, you stop on him. But consignors will usually not stop on a horse because of sore shins. They might stop on them. It obviously depends how sore the shins are.

With all of these things, it obviously depends on the consignor and it depends on how valuable the horse is. The good consignors that have a lot of credibility are not desperate. They think nothing of putting a $300,000 reserve on a horse that they only paid $150,00 for if they really like the horse. With a good consignor, the sale is not their last chance to sell the horse. If they have a good reputation and have a lot of credibilty, they will be able to find a buyer for the horse even if they have to wait for a few months.