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10-02-2009, 12:35 PM
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Is Rachel Alexadra faster than any typical Top 3yr old?
I am fairly new to speed figures but based on what I have seen it does not appear that she is anything more than your typical top 3yr old.
It looks like much of her reputation as a great horse had to do with beating bad fillies and overrated colts. Can anyone provide solid facts and figures that show her to be something unusually fast? 
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#2
10-02-2009, 12:38 PM
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let me get this straight. you know enough to call icon project great, but someone has to convince you that rachel is something special? i hope no one wastes their time, as you obviously have your mind made up, have an agenda, and wish only to be nonsensical and adversarial. have fun with that.
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10-02-2009, 12:56 PM
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I never said Icon Project was great. I said I think she can be great. She has no distance limitations and I think she is capable of a 120 type beyer at 10f.
Now if you can't provide facts and figures showing how Rachel is any different than your Street Sense, Curlin, Big Brown types than how can you say she is great and they are not. Clearly they were very good horses but far from great.
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10-02-2009, 01:49 PM
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Someone tell me the last time someone ran a 120 Beyer at 10f on this continent.
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10-02-2009, 01:56 PM
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Hell, someone tell me the last time a filly of any age, shape, or form ran a 120 going any distance, let alone 10 panels.
Rachel Alexandra has five of the top 15 route Beyers run this year, for whatever that's worth, since we're talking Beyer Speed Figures and all.
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10-02-2009, 01:57 PM
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Apparently, Lava Man got a 120 Beyer in the Hollywood Gold Cup back in 2005.
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10-02-2009, 01:57 PM
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Nobody has done it since Ghostzapper. He was great. That is the point. Too many people throw the word great around and there has not been a great horse since him.
Icon Project looks to me like an animal that may flirt with that figure.
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10-02-2009, 02:04 PM
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I thought the Lava Man figure was a 118 but either way I think people can argue he was great. His longevity must be factored in and he ran at a great level for a good time and he could run on anything.
I put Lavaman more in the Invasor and Saint Liam, just below the greats.
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10-02-2009, 02:05 PM
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Lava Man had a SWEET record outside of Cali, so yeah, he sure could run on anything. Good call.
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10-02-2009, 05:15 PM
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for starters, how many of those three year olds you mentioned all went undefeated at three? at multiple tracks, on anything from fast to sloppy? how many of them set records for time (her martha washington) or for margin (her oaks, largest ever). how many of them came two ticks from a record while going wide in the slop? how many showed her consistency? how many of them were shoo-in for HOY by mid-september, if not before? and i find it hilarious that you're able to give icon project so much praise, but somehow just can't for rachel. i can't understand how you can rave about the one, but not the other-that makes no sense.
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10-02-2009, 10:55 PM
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