How good is Lava Man?

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That doesn't prove anything. Lava Man has beaten other horses that came back and won huge races in their next start. He beat Borrego by 8 lengths in the Hollywood Gold Cup last year. Borrego came back and won his next two two races. He won the Pacific Classic and then he won the Jockey Club Gold Cup by 7 lengths.

Yea wasn't lava man in the JCGC and the Pacific Classic when Borrego brought his A game, so i guess that means when he faces top quality horses on their A game he is gonna get his butt kicked

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Yea wasn't lava man in the JCGC and the Pacific Classic when Borrego brought his A game, so i guess that means when he faces top quality horses on their A game he is gonna get his butt kicked

In the Pacific Classic, LM went head and head in :45 3/5. He still only lost the race by a length or two. Do you know any horse that can go head and head in :45 3/5 in a 1 1/4 mile race and still win. I don't. In the New York race, he lost by 20 lengths. He obviously didn't fire that day. There was something bothering him.

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

In the Pacific Classic, LM went head and head in :45 3/5. He still only lost the race by a length or two. Do you know any horse that can go head and head in :45 3/5 in a 1 1/4 mile race and still win. I don't. In the New York race, he lost by 20 lengths. He obviously didn't fire that day. There was something bothering him.

Still not gonna change my opinon. I watched Good Reward run and I just don't think he would of been within 10 lenghts of Bernadini or Invasor for that matter and their only 3yo's. California horses are weaker than ever this year and by Nov 4th Lava Man will be way past his prime to deal with all the fresh faces.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

Still not gonna change my opinon. I watched Good Reward run and I just don't think he would of been within 10 lenghts of Bernadini or Invasor for that matter and their only 3yo's. California horses are weaker than ever this year and by Nov 4th Lava Man will be way past his prime to deal with all the fresh faces.

LM's last 2 races were not as impressive as some of his other races. He may not be as sharp right now as he has been in the past. I'm not saying that he can beat Bernardidni. I would definitely give Benardini the edge right now.

I'm not a big fan of Invasor. By the way, Invasor is a 4 year old.

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Lava Man already proved he's a very good horse. Doesn't matter what happens in the classic. None stay in form indefinitely.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by sham

Lava Man already proved he's a very good horse. Doesn't matter what happens in the classic. None stay in form indefinitely.

Yes, that is exactly correct.

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Originally Posted by sham

Lava Man already proved he's a very good horse. Doesn't matter what happens in the classic. None stay in form indefinitely.

I thought the thread said "How good is Lava Man" not "how good was Lava Man" I am just sayin he is gonna get his ass handed to him in the Classic. Horses eating habits change due to the weather and this is about the same time he took dump last year.

Lava Man is a very talented horse. He must contend with shipping for the Breeders' Cup, but that does not mean he is not a very fine racehorse. I think he is undoubtedly the best older horse in training. He is a grandson of the great Seattle Slew; as is Bernardini. It is the year of Slew.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by LOSE=GLUE

I thought the thread said "How good is Lava Man" not "how good was Lava Man" I am just sayin he is gonna get his ass handed to him in the Classic. Horses eating habits change due to the weather and this is about the same time he took dump last year.

He and Bernardini each will have one last prep before the BC Classic. I think that Bernardini will win his race easily. I don't know about Lava Man. He is going to have to run against The Tin Man on the grass at Santa Anita. He may not win that race. But let's say that he does win the race. I would much rather bet him in the BC Classic than Bernardini. If they were equal odds, I would take Bernardini but they won't be equal odds. Bernardini will be about 3-5 and Lava Man will be about 5-1. In that situation, LM would be a much better bet than Bernardini. Bernardini will have never faced a horse like LM. He may be able to beat LM but I certainly would not take 3-5.