All-time Top 12 seasons by a QB

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

1. Peyton Manning (28) 121.1 2004 IND
2. Tom Brady (30) 117.2 2007 NWE
3. Steve Young (33) 112.8 1994 SFO
4. Joe Montana (33) 112.4 1989 SFO
5. Daunte Culpepper (27) 110.9 2004 MIN
6. Milt Plum (25) 110.4 1960 CLE
7. Kurt Warner (28) 109.2 1999 STL
Otto Graham (26) 109.2 1947 CLE
9. Dan Marino (23) 108.9 1984 MIA
10. Sid Luckman (27) 107.5 1943 CHI
11. Steve Young (31) 107.0 1992 SFO
12. Randall Cunningham (35) 106.0 1998 MIN



Five best single season qb ratings since 1995:

1. Peyton Manning (28) 121.1 2004 IND
2. Tom Brady (30) 117.2 2007 NWE
3. Daunte Culpepper (27) 110.9 2004 MIN
4. Kurt Warner (28) 109.2 1999 STL
5. Randall Cunningham (35) 106.0 1998 MIN


#'s 2, 3, and 5 all seem to have a common thread at WR.

#'s 3 and 5 also have a common thread in that they both royally suck.

Wonder what that thread is? I think a couple of guys owe him their MVP awards. It's funny to look at the numbers of guys like Lynn Swann and see how even in his best seasons ever, he wasn't as good as Moss was even during his first season in Oakland or last season playing with a first year quarterback yet he is a hall of famer. His greatness is matched by only one other receiver in the history of the game.

[dalakhani]

Couldnt one easily make the point that Brady could have put up BETTER numbers over a career than Manning if given the same tools to work with over an extended period of time? Manning, for the majority of his career, was working with a Hall of fame receiver in marvin harrison and an all pro on the other end in reggie wayne. In the backfield, he had Edgerrin James.

Compare this to what Brady has had to work with. Troy Brown? That was his best receiver and he was playing corner half the time. Running back? Without googling, can you name the starting tb from the first superbowl? Randy Moss was the first good receiver the guy had and look at the season he put up.

Brady has had three different offensive coordinators during his time in NE while Manning has worked with all of ONE.

Can Brady make all of the throws Manning makes? No, he can't. Manning's accuracy and coverage reading ability are unparalelled. He hits passes I have never seen another QB make. But in the brightest lights, I would sooner have Brady. Manning, more times than not, has folded up in the big games. Brady's record speaks for itself.

Can anyone name a QB that has won 3 superbowls without a single fellow offensive player likely to go into the hall of fame? Think about that. One QB, three superbowls and no other hall of famers on the offense.

[King Glorious]

There's no question in my mind that I'd take Brady over Manning. None.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

There's no question in my mind that I'd take Brady over Manning. None.

I'd take Manning in a heartbeat. But...

Pre-injury or right now?

Brady got outplayed by Matt Ryan yesterday. Even the team of Brady adoring commentators (Buck and Aikman) said so much throughout the game.

He's consistantly missing wide open guys badly.. though he has settled down very nicely late in the 4th quarter in those two wins.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'd take Manning in a heartbeat. But...

Pre-injury or right now?

Brady got outplayed by Matt Ryan yesterday. Even the team of Brady adoring commentators (Buck and Aikman) said so much throughout the game.

He's consistantly missing wide open guys badly.. though he has settled down very nicely late in the 4th quarter in those two wins.

Like many before him, Carson of Cinn., most recently comes to mind. It will take Brady at least a year and perhaps 2 or 3 before he consistently throws like he did before the injury. Part head, part heart, part maturing graft, part persistent pain and weakness in the leg. The four grafts that anchor his new AC in his knee will not be what they can be until at least next football year. Don't underestimate how much healthy legs are essential to strong pinpoint passing. And because it feels good one down don't think it's the same feeling for every down. He'll get better with time but he is not really Brady yet.....and no doubt BB knows this and will adjust on the fly accordingly. Patience Drugs....

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Couldnt one easily make the point that Brady could have put up BETTER numbers over a career than Manning if given the same tools to work with over an extended period of time?

If they want to attempt an extremely tough sell they could.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Manning, for the majority of his career, was working with a Hall of fame receiver in marvin harrison and an all pro on the other end in reggie wayne. In the backfield, he had Edgerrin James.

The last two years, he had back to back 4K yard passing seasons with Harrison a virtual non-factor and James not on the team.

He's having another brilliant season so far this year without the two of them.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Compare this to what Brady has had to work with. Troy Brown? That was his best receiver and he was playing corner half the time. Running back? Without googling, can you name the starting tb from the first superbowl?

Yeah, Antwon Smith. I picked the Patriots to win the Super Bowl that year before the season ... Indian Charlie can tell you all about it.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Manning, more times than not, has folded up in the big games.

The New England defense in its prime will do that to you.

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Can anyone name a QB that has won 3 superbowls without a single fellow offensive player likely to go into the hall of fame?

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl with a team that went 5 weeks without scoring an offensive touchdown.

How many likely future hall of famers played offense on the last two teams to win a super bowl? None at the skill positions anyway.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yeah, Antwon Smith. I picked the Patriots to win the Super Bowl that year before the season ... Indian Charlie can tell you all about it.

Yeah, I can attest that Douglas Savantore did indeed pick them, and when they started out with a poor record, he even said, and I quote "they will still win the superbowl if a few things go their way".

I would only rank that though #3 on his all time retarded predictions that actually came true.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Couldnt one easily make the point that Brady could have put up BETTER numbers over a career than Manning if given the same tools to work with over an extended period of time? Manning, for the majority of his career, was working with a Hall of fame receiver in marvin harrison and an all pro on the other end in reggie wayne.

How do you know Manning isn't the one who made them hall of famers? He doesn't look much different minus Harrison, James, etc. Maybe Pierre Garcon is a hall of famer too?? For a large chunk of the time, I think Brady had a better defense supporting him than Manning did. I don't know who is better, but I don't think you can easily make the point that Brady could have put up better numbers in his career with Manning's tools to work with.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I don't think you can easily make the point that Brady could have put up better numbers in his career with Manning's tools to work with.

I think Brady could of ... but the question is more how much better ... and I think the answer is certainly not enough to match Manning.

Obviously, when he got Moss he became the leader of the all-time #1 scoring offense in NFL history ... breaking the points scored record of the '98 Vikings (another Moss team)

I think Manning has had a better hand to play with from an offensive unit standpoint prior to Moss arriving ... but defense is what tends to win the big games .. and Brady has always had the vastly superior defense. At least until recently ... now a lot of Pats greats on defense are retired, or should be retired, or are playing D-line for Oakland.

[rpncaine]

Colts D has been weak in the middle and too reliant on cover 2 for too long. New coordinator is not above a LB or CB blitz once in a while and has added some bulk in the DT positions.
I'll be the first to say Manning has had some lousy playoff games. No real excuse for the SD loss last year. I think that NE had his number/was in his head until that 2006 AFC Championship game and the subsequent Super Bowl win. Now the monkey is off his back and given the choice, I would pick him over Brady (post injury) as my go to QB.

Course I am a homer, so there is that.

[Crown@club]

Hey where's that Favre guy?