Breeders Cup Turf winners 1999-2008

[philcski]

Originally Posted by brockguy

I'm getting excited about the Breeders Cup, just looked over the past 10 years turf races. Here's how I'd rank them

1. Daylami 1999 (As good as there is on this list, this is no contest!)

2. High Chaparral 2002/2003 (such a professional no nonsense horse!)

3. Fantastic Light 2001 (Improved every year, so good over 10f or 12)

4. Kalanisi 2000 (Very underrated horse, had some might tussles with Giants Causeway, will probably be the last horse to win the Champion Stakes and BC Turf in the same year?)

5. Conduit 2008 (Some may say he is high enough on this list and benefitted from a suicidal pace last year, but this guy can really motor when in top gear and will make a bold bid to join High Chap as a double winner)

6. Shirocco 2005 (Was an out and out stayer, got his conditions in Belmont, and had a successful 2006 until the Arc)

7. English Channel 2007 (Needed a mudbath to win it, but was a solid enough, consistent horse for his whole career)

8. Better Talk Now 2004 (Rather fortunate winner I thought but he was a great servant to connections and nearly doubled up 2006)

9. Red Rocks 2006 (Famous for this win and beating Curlin. Hasnt really done much more!)

10. Johar 2003 (Played his part in history but it would have been a tragedy had he beaten High Chaparral)

1. Daylami
2. High Chaparral
3. Kalanisi
4. Fantastic Light
5. English Channel
6. Better Talk Now
7. Red Rocks
8. Shirocco
9. Conduit
10. Johar

[jballscalls]

my least favorite BC race to watch

[Indian Charlie]

So, people rate High Chapparal 2nd on the list but Johar tenth, despite their deadheat the one time they met.

Yeah, that makes sense.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

How the hell is any American supposed to be able to rank those? You can't do it without a whole lot of guess work.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Here's the best I can do...

#1: I don't know
#2: I don't know
#3: I don't know
#4: I don't know
#5: I don't know
#6: I don't know
#7: I don't know
#8: I don't know
#9: Red Rocks
#10: Johar

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How the hell is any American supposed to be able to rank those? You can't do it without a whole lot of guess work.

you just have to accept that the euros are better, even when one of theirs deadheats with one of our lousy turf horses. as to where to rank them individually, who knows?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as to where to rank them individually, who knows?

Probably a very sharp bettor who follows Euro racing day in and day out if anyone.

It's not easy to compare American turf horses 5-to-10 years apart with confidence.

[Indian Charlie]

I guess if Cigar had retired before putting it all together, my prediction of future greatness for him would have been scoffed at as well. Come to think of it, it was (by friends)!

Perhaps Johar just needed more time to mature as a racehorse, I don't know.

I do know, however, that if you know how to watch a horse, you'd have seen an acceleration with him that you rarely see from other horses.

Back when he was running, I thought that perhaps his rider had a tendency to get him going just a bit too late to get to the wire first.

Toussaud must have been a goat as well I guess, since she didn't win even half her starts either. I wonder how it's possible Frankel thought her, at least at one point, thought her to be one of the best three fillies or mares he'd ever had.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

How the hell is any American supposed to be able to rank those? You can't do it without a whole lot of guess work.

You saw Daylami race, it's a no brainer he's #1. The rest are a lot closer, but I've seen enough of their races to have a creditable opinion.