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09-22-2009, 09:01 AM
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I really dont think that is a bizzare suggestion. If they can attract thousands of new spectators to thier new Meydan track in Dubai, then we can see what they can produce in the United States. People complain about short fields and crappy horses right? Why do owners/trainers send thier horses mid way around the world to compete in the Desert when easily those type of horses could be racing in the United States? Look how watered down the Big Cap has been in recent years. You cant deny how succesfull the Dubai World Cup has been for them. As a gambler myself, I definetley want new fans to enter the game. why? I want dead money in the pool. 5 to 1, 6 to 1, shots today could easily be twice that if there are more dead money in the pool. I want people betting horses based on the name, color To suggest for people to recognize the sport as it is is not that easy for the common folk to inhale. Why? Its hard to promote the sport when thier are way too many toilet tracks around the country. Quality of racing is poor and there is nothing interesting about betting or watching crap horses at crap tracks unless you are a degenerate gambler. There are 100s of race tracks and only 5-10 are worth going to or betting on. IMPROVE THE PRODUCT! 
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09-22-2009, 09:16 AM
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Del Mar Burka Day! Monmouth Prayer Rug day! The Keeneland 100 Virgin's giveaway!
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09-22-2009, 09:20 AM
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09-22-2009, 09:34 AM
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09-22-2009, 06:52 PM
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Will someone please buy Hollywood Park and keep it a racetrack? Thank you.
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09-22-2009, 09:20 AM
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If you want to stick to 'better product' as a line of reasoning, that's cool. Many agree with you there. Less racing, with fuller fields of more competitive runners, is a definite formula for improved racing and renewed or wider player interest. But the last statement about '100's of tracks' and 'only 5-10 worth going to or betting on' is just wrong. There aren't 100's of tracks and even the "worst" track out there can likely have a fun atmosphere and great race day every once in a while.
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09-22-2009, 03:53 PM
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On Dubai World Cup night, the pick seven was not hit, but quite a few Pakistanis had 5 of 7 and took home a decent prize of several thousand dollars each. 4 of 7 paid as well. It is not against the law to offer a prize in this sense as long as the player is not staking anything. Entry forms are at the entrance points to the course, for which admission is also free (includes Dubai World Cup night too) - there is always a free public enclosure on course. Overall, it increases interest and attendance in the sport considering that handicapping acumen can win you money...for nothing, essentially. Not a bad marketing tool to get people to care. All that being said, I agree that there is no way interests from Dubai or similar would ever purchase an American track with pari-mutuel wagering.
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09-23-2009, 05:06 AM
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09-23-2009, 10:29 AM
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09-22-2009, 07:53 PM
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There is a reason MLB, NBA, and NFL dont set-up teams in small towns - Why? there is no market. Why does horse racing build tracks out in BFE?? There is a reason why your two biggest Racing venues are in New York and Los Angeles. No coincidence. The "dont-care" approach is why horse racing is losing fans.
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09-22-2009, 09:04 PM
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Also, this whole stuff about Dubai, I'm going to guess Shekih Mo build his new palace with his own dime. What track owner you know could do the same? None. They'd all ask for public funding to foot part of the bill. Whole different dynamic. When your ruling family has unlimited sums of money you do as you please. Racing cannot answer to the American taxpayer. When people get it out of their mind that racing needs a darling slot on ESPN, that they need a Triple Crown winner, that every track should be able to attract 30,000 a card then it will be better off. The NHL has ruined it's product and it's standing by trying to become a mainstream sport, so to speak, in getting away from it's niche status. Sure, some places can support hockey that hadn't before, like Dallas, North Carolina, etc. Mostly because they have successful, well run franchises. But, in the process, the game was moved out of Winnipeg, Quebec City, Hartford, Minnesota (it's back), and gone to die in Miami, Phoenix, and Atlanta. Stick to your "less is more" stance, the whole revival thing is just garbage.
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09-22-2009, 09:54 PM
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Steve's right. I've given up trying to wish people into appreciating things that require mental energy. It just ends up making you depressed that it doesn't turn out as you'd wanted. I have Avalyn Hunter's American Classic Pedigrees and, yes, that's my idea of a good time. Well, one of them. Every now and again I get some hope, like when they made Seabiscuit, and now they're casting Secretariat (Diane Lane's Penny Chenery). I think there's a lot of muscle memory in our culture for a love of horse racing. One way to know that is they don't make movies about it if they don't think there'll be enough eyeballs to see them.
About seeing things improve in the sport, if Hialeah returns to its former glory, that, to me, would be cause for a party.
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09-23-2009, 05:01 AM
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Really? They can't bet in Dubai? You're kidding... Who knew? And "thousands and thousands come"... Unheard of in the United States! Guess you haven't been to a Kentucky Oaks/Derby... A Breeders' Cup... A Santa Anita Derby or Handicap Day... Or Smarty Jones' Belmont... Or Oaklawn... Or Saratoga... The Middle East isn't rich in horse racing tradition... That's a revelation! Out of curiousity, those things that are called Arabians... Where did they come from exactly? Racetracks are in every corner of the United States because it's America's original and oldest sport, and the far flung venues grew out of the original race gatherings that began in the 1800's.
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09-23-2009, 10:20 AM
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09-23-2009, 10:36 AM
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All ambitions are lawful except those which climb upward on the miseries or credulities of mankind. ~ Joseph Conrad A long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right. ~ Thomas Paine Don't let anyone tell you that your dreams can't come true. They are only afraid that theirs won't and yours will. ~ Robert Evans The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. ~ George Orwell, 1984.
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09-23-2009, 08:26 PM
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Really? They can't bet in Dubai? You're kidding... Who knew? What is the reason for them coming to the track if they dont bet? Beats me. One thing is for sure: They are not coming to watch 5k claimers plod thier way to the finish line. ---> Really exciting? And "thousands and thousands come"... Unheard of in the United States! Guess you haven't been to a Kentucky Oaks/Derby... A Breeders' Cup... A Santa Anita Derby or Handicap Day... Or Smarty Jones' Belmont... Or Oaklawn... Or Saratoga... Great example of a quality product. We need more quality and less crap! Agreed? The Middle East isn't rich in horse racing tradition... That's a revelation! Out of curiousity, those things that are called Arabians... Where did they come from exactly? Every country has thier native horse. Europeans created horse racing not the Arabs. I undestand Arabians were the founding blood of the modern thoroubred but can you tell me where Sheikh Mo buys his multi-million dollar horses that he races in Nad Al Sheba? Racetracks are in every corner of the United States because it's America's original and oldest sport, and the far flung venues grew out of the original race gatherings that began in the 1800's. A lot of historic sites in America were part of tradition and culture but most of them were torn down and a Shopping Center was put in place. I wonder why?? Last edited by Kasept : 09-24-2009 at 10:18 AM.
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