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Old 09-19-2009, 02:12 PM
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It's not worth trying to beat any chalk at this track right now. Up over 47% now, it'll go up another percentage point when Ruthy wins.
Well IMO the pick 3's Im live to are all giant OVERLAYS.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:41 PM
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Well IMO the pick 3's Im live to are all giant OVERLAYS.
Tough beat. Garcia almost butchered that one.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:43 PM
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Tough beat. Garcia almost butchered that one.
Um I still dont see her nose on the line, WTF
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:45 PM
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Um I still dont see her nose on the line, WTF
NYRA conspiring against you. Have they shown the photo yet? If you are complaining from what you see on the video, stop it.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:46 PM
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NYRA conspiring against you. Have they shown the photo yet? If you are complaining from what you see on the video, stop it.
They showed the photo for a good minute. It's about as close as you can get without a dead heat, but Ruthy was first. So much for those overlaid Pick 3's.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:47 PM
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They showed the photo for a good minute. It's about as close as you can get without a dead heat, but Ruthy was first. So much for those overlaid Pick 3's.
Well I could not tell, clearly a lot harder with the 5 on the outside, they did not show any reverse angle....
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:50 PM
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Well I could not tell, clearly a lot harder with the 5 on the outside, they did not show any reverse angle....
Look closely.

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Tough beat. Garcia almost butchered that one.
Wait for the headon. Appears that Javier did all he could to put him in tight.

Certainly a 'hanger' performance by Rutherienne.
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Wait for the headon. Appears that Javier did all he could to put him in tight.

Certainly a 'hanger' performance by Rutherienne.
Yeah, Castellano tried to put him over the rail, but Garcia let Castellano get the jump on him, then decided not to switch outside when he could've. A little too confident, but the mare got it done somehow.
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Old 09-19-2009, 02:52 PM
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Well, this is when the STEWARDS need to make an appearance and FINE him. Javier INTENTIONALLY steers his horse in to, as you stated, put Garcia over the rail. This goes beyond race riding.

If they allow Castellano to herd at will, they really shouldn't be taking OTHER jocks down for not keeping straight paths.

As for Castellano, he got BENT OVER today.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:23 PM
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Wait for the headon. Appears that Javier did all he could to put him in tight.

Certainly a 'hanger' performance by Rutherienne.
Ah.. the Prince of the ATF comment.
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Old 09-19-2009, 08:33 PM
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Ah.. the Prince of the ATF comment.
Including today she is 3/12 in the last 2 years.... Before that she was 7/10....Her numbers have never really improved, so the same horse who was 7/10 is still running, its not like she's fallen off, IMO at some point she lost the will to win and is now A HANGER... Todays race does not make me think other, that was the closest possible margin of victory.

Shes def. a hanger, but these guys tell me I dont understand dynamics... She had a rough trip today, SURE.... She was still all out to win at 1-5... Shes a ok Grade 3 level performer that they can make some money w/ if they continue to run her... Nothing more.
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Old 09-19-2009, 10:41 PM
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Ah.. the Prince of the ATF comment.
Ahhh.

So conveniently neglects post # 5.
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Old 09-20-2009, 06:04 AM
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Ahhh.

So conveniently neglects post # 5.
Ooh.. the race dynamics catch-all! Much like the 'Twinkie Defense' for horses that really aren't that good. She's just not inclined to pass horses up front. 5 different riders since the start of 2008 too, so you can't claim ongoing ineptitude. Her 2 wins since last spring include the vanquishing of Callwood Dancer, Meadow Saffron (twice), Points of Grace, Favorite Fantasy, Remarkable Remy, Tell It Like It Is and then this collection of listed stake winners and G3 (at best) miserables.

Rutherienne is not the horse she gave the indication of being as a 3yo. I don't think there's a debate to have on the topic. And counting on her at 2-5 is a quick way to lose money. And she nearly came through with another disappointment yesterday like the mundane product she is.
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Old 09-20-2009, 08:33 AM
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She proved yesterday, after being put in tight by the punk Castellano, where Garcia wasn't able to whip her without hitting the rail, that she is game. Most horses don't battle back from being pinned inside. As for the indication she gave as a 3 year old: she got more than her share of PERFECT trips, including the Lake George, where she came up on the rail while Sharp Susan and Lady Attack were in the parking lot. I never thought much of this horse but she's cost me a ton of money with her photo wins. You can say that she's not that good, at least not G1 quality, but to consider her a hanger is to miss the point.

I don't know, maybe it's just me but I don't DEPEND on those instances where I need to get lucky to get me through the game, like RockHard... does. If I need to depend on a jock herding to win a race, putting another jock and horse in danger, and then have the balls to bitch afterwards when the attempt fails, what else need be said?

And, if race dynamics is a 'Twinkie Defense", what exactly is using someone else's FIGURES and DATA to form an opinion? Not watching races but trying to explain them by using the abstractions of others is really not conducive to any kind of argument I want to get into. But, it's the only one available here, it seems.
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