9/18 (LaD): Super Derby (G2)

[CSC]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Hell, I liked Soto vs Ten Most Wanted in 2003.

My favorite Super Derby was when the "Great Mecke" ran them all down like they were standing still, from going last to first with Jerry Bailey aboard.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by CSC

My favorite Super Derby was when the "Great Mecke" ran them all down like they were standing still, from going last to first with Jerry Bailey aboard.

For excitement, it is hard to top the Wallenda-Franks entry wild finish in 1993.
But the sentimental pick is the 1991 win by La-bred Free Spirit's Joy.

[Linny]

This race, like many others is a victim of trainers interest in more time between races. They want to space their horses' races at 6 week intervals and as such, the idea of Travers-Super Derby-Goodwood (or JCGC) is no longer acceptable.
September has become the "lost month" in racing, esp when the BC is late. Meets like Saratoga and Del Mar grab leading BC candidates with big money finales like the Pac Classic, Woodward, Travers plus big events for other divisions. After that, "six weeks" takes you into October and those big weekends at BEL, SA and KEE that Travis mentioned. From there, it's on to the Cup.

As an aside, last weekend was a triumph for those of us that like to see horses RACE. Swift Temper won a G1 on 13 days rest, off a second in a G1. She beat a filly who was back from 6 weeks. Bold Union was second in the Victory Ride then won a stake at Delaware 2 weeks later. A few hours later multiple G1 winner Informed Decision beat 3 other G1 winners in the Masters, again on 2 weeks rest. Ghost Fleet returned to Poly at Woodbine to win the Swynford S off 15 days from a turf allowance.
Lemonette is back in action this weekend at AP off a second on Labor Day in the Glens Falls.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Linny

This race, like many others is a victim of trainers interest in more time between races. They want to space their horses' races at 6 week intervals and as such, the idea of Travers-Super Derby-Goodwood (or JCGC) is no longer acceptable.
September has become the "lost month" in racing, esp when the BC is late. Meets like Saratoga and Del Mar grab leading BC candidates with big money finales like the Pac Classic, Woodward, Travers plus big events for other divisions. After that, "six weeks" takes you into October and those big weekends at BEL, SA and KEE that Travis mentioned. From there, it's on to the Cup

This point is spot-on. Trainers demand spacing...how many times in recent years have we seend...Travers to BC, Pac Classic to BC, Woodward to BC, ______ race to similar BC race.

This is part of the reason I look down on the arguments that races such as the Super Derby and others are drawing "bad fields" - it's comparing two completely different periods in horse racing. Even eight to ten years ago, I'd argue things were different.

Overall, the rest of the racing world is often completely different than North America on this fact as well. Horses might have longer layoffs (due to racing seasonality), but will often run a load of races in short periods of time.

Similarly, I can only hope that the declining auction receipts, as seen this week, will encourage a reduction in stud fees, which will result in horses racing longer so as to make their stud prospects more viable, and stand out versus others.

Trainers demand spacing because most of them are morons who bow down to the sheets/tg gods. Not all horses are alike and just like in any sport champions are made through adversity and how many times they win.

Your arguments are null and void and only contribute to this sport being a virtual unknown to most sport fans. If this bs of 6 week spacing continues you'll more than likely see cornhole pass horse racing in terms of popularity.

[CSC]

93 Super Derby:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qHvz4Fqzk0

[Linny]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Trainers demand spacing because most of them are morons who bow down to the sheets/tg gods. Not all horses are alike and just like in any sport champions are made through adversity and how many times they win.

Your arguments are null and void and only contribute to this sport being a virtual unknown to most sport fans. If this bs of 6 week spacing continues you'll more than likely see cornhole pass horse racing in terms of popularity.

Is this directed at me? The fact is that trainers want 6 weeks, not that I think it's a good idea. Read the last paragraph, the part where I sing the praises of horses returning on short rest and winning stakes.

It wasn't directed at you.

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

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Your arguments are null and void and only contribute to this sport being a virtual unknown to most sport fans. If this bs of 6 week spacing continues you'll more than likely see cornhole pass horse racing in terms of popularity.

Yep, we will never see a horse like Easy Goer in '89 winning the Whitney, Travers, Woodward, and JCGC (at 1 1/2) and then running in the BCC three weeks later, or Slew O Gold in '84 winning the Whitney, Marlboro, Woodward, and JCGC (at 1 1/2) and then running in the BCC three weeks later.

There was a time in the not so distant past when there was a big race every weekend at Belmont. Now Belmont basically has two big days. This year it is Oct 3 and Oct 10. 8 G1s are run on two Saturdays. It is hard to maintain interest when everything is so spread out. The Woodward and Pac Classic were 2 weeks ago. We still have to wait another two weeks for any meaningful races. All these Grade 2 3 yo Derbies with inflated purses do nothing for me.

[Travis Stone]

I hope everyone who joins us today has a wonderful time. I checked last night and all our premium seating options (suites, Harrah's Club, Skyroom) are sold-out.

And a quick look at the radar shows no "green blobs" ... enjoy!

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Yep, we will never see a horse like Easy Goer in '89 winning the Whitney, Travers, Woodward, and JCGC (at 1 1/2) and then running in the BCC three weeks later, or Slew O Gold in '84 winning the Whitney, Marlboro, Woodward, and JCGC (at 1 1/2) and then running in the BCC three weeks later.

There was a time in the not so distant past when there was a big race every weekend at Belmont. Now Belmont basically has two big days. This year it is Oct 3 and Oct 10. 8 G1s are run on two Saturdays. It is hard to maintain interest when everything is so spread out. The Woodward and Pac Classic were 2 weeks ago. We still have to wait another two weeks for any meaningful races. All these Grade 2 3 yo Derbies with inflated purses do nothing for me.

Exactly. And this was with the BC around so why people blame the BC for the change in training philosophies is beyond me.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

For excitement, it is hard to top the Wallenda-Franks entry wild finish in 1993.
But the sentimental pick is the 1991 win by La-bred Free Spirit's Joy.

I remember seeing that race, w/o googling, can anyone remember who rode Wallenda that race? Jock reappeared last yr after a stint in retirement...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

I remember seeing that race, w/o googling, can anyone remember who rode Wallenda that race? Jock reappeared last yr after a stint in retirement...

Hollywood Herb.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Hollywood Herb.

NT

He certainly outrode Craig Perret that day.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by CSC

He certainly outrode Craig Perret that day.

Was Perret aboard Peteski? I remember that horse could not deal with the Louisiana heat.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Was Perret aboard Peteski? I remember that horse could not deal with the Louisiana heat.

Yes he was, I think Peteski suffered from CPPM effect or what I like to refer to as the "Craig Premature Perret Move". Who knows it may have been the heat but Perret always irked me with his outside half mile moves. Another one I can recall was his ride on With Approval in the BC turf.

I'll give Spyder the credit for the is vid. This is a good illustration of what I thought of Perret as a rider.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4