ruffian and rachel

TheSpyder · #1 09-11-2009, 07:46 PM

As Haskins says, he does not compare on horse from one generation from another...too hard to do.
Having said that...she is the greatest of our time, and maybe of other times.

randallscott35 · #2 09-11-2009, 08:00 PM

She's better than Ruffian. Ruffian got upgraded partially as a result of her death. Not PC to say but just like artists who die, they are remembered differently.

richard burch · #3 09-11-2009, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

She's better than Ruffian. Ruffian got upgraded partially as a result of her death. Not PC to say but just like artists who die, they are remembered differently.

Not necessarily. Ruffian had 5 grade 1 wins and 3 grade 3 wins in her 11 races and i believe she did it all on the front end. Thats quite an accomplishment.

But R.A is certainly the best filly to come around in a while. Sorry Zenyatta, in this case 2nd best is also pretty damn impressive.

RockHardTen1985 · #4 09-11-2009, 08:25 PM

When we say the greatest what exactly are we saying? Is she the greatest filly of our time? I think so, my time is the last 24 years..... Im not sure she's even the greatest horse of the last 9 years. Ghostzapper and Point Given were BRILLIANT. Candy Ride was a freak, turf and dirt. Im sure I will take a lot of **** for this. But if Ghostzapper, Point Given, Candy Ride and Rachel faced each other going 1 1/8 on dirt, IMO it is very logical to say she runs last, even if she fires her best shot. Im not knocking her w/ this. If you put her Azeri, Rags in a race... I think Rachel would crush them.

randallscott35 · #5 09-11-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

When we say the greatest what exactly are we saying? Is she the greatest filly of our time? I think so, my time is the last 24 years..... Im not sure she's even the greatest horse of the last 9 years. Ghostzapper and Point Given were BRILLIANT. Candy Ride was a freak, turf and dirt. Im sure I will take a lot of **** for this. But if Ghostzapper, Point Given, Candy Ride and Rachel faced each other going 1 1/8 on dirt, IMO it is very logical to say she runs last, even if she fires her best shot.

Apparently you didn't read the title or the thread. We are looking at fillies and within that Ruffian and Rachel....Nothing else....Another reason why you got my vote for worst poster.

RockHardTen1985 · #6 09-11-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Apparently you didn't read the title or the thread. We are looking at fillies and within that Ruffian and Rachel....Nothing else....Another reason why you got my vote for worst poster.

I read it, but almost every thread is about how great she is. So why does it matter where I post my opinion? Should I create a new thread for it?

johnny pinwheel · #7 09-12-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I read it, but almost every thread is about how great she is. So why does it matter where I post my opinion? Should I create a new thread for it?

why even bother? shes real good, of course shes a great racehorse. but these boobs will go on and on about it. its as crazy as the guys that followed micheal jackson. there was even a thread about how "poor rachel" should not get whipped in hard races. its borderline absurdity. what do you people want to hear shes better than secretariat, forego and ruffian even though shes never won at 10 furlongs. hell, shes better than pegasus and he could fly. are you happy now. you call him the worst poster. i'll call this a stupid thread. every great horse has a place in history but some are not happy unless they argue about who was better. everyone jump in the waters great! get on the bandwagon folks. the whole point of this garbage is mute. if you spent as much energy handicapping maybe you could cash on something thats higher than 3-5!

richard burch · #8 09-11-2009, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by randallscott35

Apparently you didn't read the title or the thread. We are looking at fillies and within that Ruffian and Rachel....Nothing else....Another reason why you got my vote for worst poster.

ouch!

dean smith · #9 09-11-2009, 08:40 PM

Is there a website or book you can go to that supplies historical lifetime PPs? For instance, if I wanted to compare, say, Go For Wand and Ruffian's lifetime past performance records, where could I find them?

It would make these comparison threads a lot easier discuss (at least on my end).

P.S. I know GFW has nothing to do with this thread, but Rachel Alexandra is still active and it's fairly easy to get ahold of her PPs. I thought she would make a poor example.

Sightseek · #10 09-11-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith

Is there a website or book you can go to that supplies historical lifetime PPs? For instance, if I wanted to compare, say, Go For Wand and Ruffian's lifetime past performance records, where could I find them?

It would make these comparison threads a lot easier discuss (at least on my end).

P.S. I know GFW has nothing to do with this thread, but Rachel Alexandra is still active and it's fairly easy to get ahold of her PPs. I thought she would make a poor example.

http://store.drf.com/acb/stores/1/CH...026.cfm?AFID=6

richard burch · #11 09-11-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dean smith

Is there a website or book you can go to that supplies historical lifetime PPs? For instance, if I wanted to compare, say, Go For Wand and Ruffian's lifetime past performance records, where could I find them?

It would make these comparison threads a lot easier discuss (at least on my end).

P.S. I know GFW has nothing to do with this thread, but Rachel Alexandra is still active and it's fairly easy to get ahold of her PPs. I thought she would make a poor example.

a great book to get is called Champions by the DRF. it does have the PP's and it lists all the great horses from1893-2004....and is updated every few years. currently at about 450 pages

here it is

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/193...0R3KPJGA6D69CB