Borel should be fined or suspended

Cannon Shell · #1 09-06-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Buckpasser

Listen fellas, I've been watching and betting racing for over 40 years in NY and going to races in NJ, PA, FL, MA and Maryland. You can't say with a straight face that Borel wasn't slightly excessive with the whip. Watch the race again and see how he gets into her. Does it make a difference? Would she have still won if he was not so aggressive? Bottom line is that there are elements who will bring this up and frown on racing.

Too fckin bad if they dont like it. It is part of the game and if they were using those new whips then they dont even need whipping rules. They are like nerf whips.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 09-06-2009, 03:37 PM

http://www.dailygazette.com/weblogs/...e-safer-whips/

pointman · #3 09-06-2009, 04:02 PM

I am sure that Calvin was counting the amount of times he hit her in the stretch, it is not like he has his mind on holding off the closers or reacted in the heat of the moment.

freddymo · #4 09-06-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Too fckin bad if they dont like it. It is part of the game and if they were using those new whips then they dont even need whipping rules. They are like nerf whips.

Whips that don't whip are worthless.

pointman · #5 09-06-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Whips that don't whip are worthless.

Chantal Sutherland would disagree, she would tell you they are worth $4,208.

rontheman1964 · #6 09-06-2009, 05:02 PM

I also disagree with the original post. Once, way back in the glory days of the Aksarben, my brother and I counted Tim Doocy whipping a horse 43 times during the course of a race. Yes it was excessive. But considering the horse was passed in the stretch and rallied to win made us appreciate his effort on a cheap claimer.

I am sure there was more "barn" money than we knew on the horse which accounted for his excessive effort in a meaningless race. The winnings on our $20 win tickets seemed extra sweet that day. I don't know Tim Doocy, but if any of you do, tell him thanks from 2 racing fans in Nebraska.

Oh, and I think the horse "bounced" in his next start.

freddymo · #7 09-06-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Chantal Sutherland would disagree, she would tell you they are worth $4,208.

I am sure Mike has the old one just in case she gets tired and needs to finish up?

alysheba4 · #8 09-08-2009, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by pointman

Chantal Sutherland would disagree, she would tell you they are worth $4,208.

.....yeah, what did that cost the owners, 40 grand?

Gander · #9 09-08-2009, 04:22 PM

He seemed to ride her okay, but everyone else at Saratoga terribly. Its funny, if this was any other jockey he'd be the brunt of many jokes, but he gets to ride superstars like her. I think hes a very below average jockey or at least he played one at Saratoga. He rode his horse (Marias Charm) in the very next race as if he cared very little or at all.

Sightseek · #10 09-09-2009, 08:01 PM

Anyone read the comments under the Blood-Horse's posting of Haskell's article on Facebook regarding Calvin's ride?

SuffolkGirl · #11 09-09-2009, 09:31 PM

I didn't read all of the comments under Steve's article but from watching the race live and on replay it was obvious that Calvin was not being abusive. He was urging her for everything she had and if he truly thought she wasn't going to be able to do it, I think he would have laid off a bit.

The people that commenting about a whip have most likely never been around a horse nor been on the back of one. There are horses at the barn that I would not get on the back of without a whip (or crop or bat or whatever you want to call them now.) These people hear whip and think of 40 lashes...

Did they have anything to say about Utter Quality in the Forego who wouldn't even turn around in the post parade until an outrider came out with a longeing whip to get him going?