Summer Bird pointed for The BC

CSC · #1 09-03-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

She's already won on poly at Kee.

I don't understand then, why the reluctance to run at SA unless you don't believe you are not going to win.

The Indomitable DrugS · #2 09-03-2009, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I don't understand then, why the reluctance to run at SA unless you don't believe you are going to win.

They aren't going because they're stubborn and they don't like the surface... they might even cave like they did last year.

They aren't threatening to pass because they've been handicapping the situation and think they won't win.

CSC · #3 09-03-2009, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

They aren't going because they're stubborn and they don't like the surface... they might even cave like they did last year.

They aren't threatening to pass because they've handicapping the situation and think they won't win.

If they don't go there and surely Zenyatta will not fly in for the Beldame, maybe they will get brave and try the JCGC and Summer Bird. But I'm sure Jess sees the improvement in SB and may be handicapping that situation also.

The Indomitable DrugS · #4 09-03-2009, 10:41 AM

Rachel Alexandra will beat Summer Bird like a drum.

CSC · #5 09-03-2009, 10:46 AM

I don't think so...

Indian Charlie · #6 09-03-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I don't think so...

Clearly.

I think that is evident to everyone but smooth operator.

King Glorious · #7 09-03-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rachel Alexandra will beat Summer Bird like a drum.

Again.

CSC · #8 09-03-2009, 10:47 AM

Again I don't think so....

Travis Stone · #9 09-03-2009, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

Again I don't think so....

I'll give you credit for standing by your opinion on this despite taking it from all sides.

jms62 · #10 09-03-2009, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rachel Alexandra will beat Summer Bird like a drum.

If the race is at distance and at a Track having a bias that heavily favors RA you are right. Any other Distance / Track it is a moot point becuase RA won't be there. She is being managed not to ever be put in a situation that isn't heavily tilted in her favor. This won't be lost on those voting for HOY.

Sightseek · #11 09-03-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

If the race is at distance and at a Track having a bias that heavily favors RA you are right. Any other Distance / Track it is a moot point becuase RA won't be there. She is being managed not to ever be put in a situation that isn't heavily tilted in her favor. This won't be lost on those voting for HOY.

What horse isn't being campaigned in the best possible place to WIN?

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 09-03-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

What horse isn't being campaigned in the best possible place to WIN?

If she was truly a great horse ... and her connections had any balls ... as a prep for the Woodward... they would have entered her in both the AP Smithwick and NY Turf Writers and she'd have swept both of them while fencing perfectly.

Antitrust32 · #13 09-03-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

What horse isn't being campaigned in the best possible place to WIN?

not just that but.... How the hell would the Preakness have been the best possible place to win?

Two weeks off a huge romp that SCREAMED BOUNCE and a trainer change! Going a pretty far distance against boys.

Some of the stuff I hear on here makes PG1985 look brilliant.

The Indomitable DrugS · #14 09-03-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

If the race is at distance and at a Track having a bias that heavily favors RA you are right. Any other Distance / Track it is a moot point becuase RA won't be there.

The track was fair to all styles in the Haskell.

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Originally Posted by jms62

She is being managed not to ever be put in a situation that isn't heavily tilted in her favor. This won't be lost on those voting for HOY.

Yes ... they will surely be more impressed with Zenyatta for ducking the Hollywood Gold Cup while her stablemate Life Is Sweet was entered .. so she could take on laughing stock competition of her own gender.

parsixfarms · #15 09-03-2009, 11:26 AM

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The track was fair to all styles in the Haskell.

The rail was not the place to be that day. Summer Bird pressed the pace on the worst part of the track.

Cannon Shell · #16 09-03-2009, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jms62

If the race is at distance and at a Track having a bias that heavily favors RA you are right. Any other Distance / Track it is a moot point becuase RA won't be there. She is being managed not to ever be put in a situation that isn't heavily tilted in her favor. This won't be lost on those voting for HOY.

I doubt this is true. PG1985 has a better handle on things than 90% of the voters.

Antitrust32 · #17 09-03-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

If the race is at distance and at a Track having a bias that heavily favors RA you are right. Any other Distance / Track it is a moot point becuase RA won't be there. She is being managed not to ever be put in a situation that isn't heavily tilted in her favor. This won't be lost on those voting for HOY.

Did you watch the Preakness?

brianwspencer · #18 09-03-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Did you watch the Preakness?

This is classic, and worth noting as conversations like this always remind me of the big talk we had here a couple years ago about Sun King and Invasor....like "oh but he only beat Sun King by a nose!!!!!!OMGZ!!11!!" type comments.

Look, I'm no genius and no gift to racing by any stretch, but lots more people need to start learning that a "troubled" trip can occur even when a horse visually gets into no "trouble" at all. You don't need a check or a stumble or a poor start to have a troubled trip. Invasor beat Sun King by a nose when racing totally out of his element, and it was one of his more impressive career races -- just like Rachel's Preakness is IMO her best race, because she had the most brutal trip of her life and still held off the Derby winner when the race set up for him to take it so easily. Everything was in his favor that day and nothing was in hers....and she still won.

She is that good, and it's not always an "easy trip" just because a horse was pressing and has smooth sailing. Not at all, and that's the nuance in conversations like this that are lost on far too many folks -- if they can't *see* trouble, then it was an easy trip.

Handicapping 301 stuff, I know, so perhaps Drugs needs to get through 101 before we can get to that.

Indian Charlie · #19 09-03-2009, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jms62

If the race is at distance and at a Track having a bias that heavily favors RA you are right. Any other Distance / Track it is a moot point becuase RA won't be there. She is being managed not to ever be put in a situation that isn't heavily tilted in her favor. This won't be lost on those voting for HOY.

Do you mean like Oaklawn, Fairgrounds, Churchill, Pimlico, Belmont, Monmouth and Saratoga?

Or do you mean more like Hollywood Park and Del Mar only?

I think one of us is confused.

boswd · #20 09-03-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rachel Alexandra will beat Summer Bird like a drum.

Not the Summer Bird that showed up at The Traver's, the only thing we can on is The Preakness RA Held on, you all can try and convince yourselfs she was in totall control but she held on and if that race was a 1 1/4 she loses, plain and simple. Summer Bird loves the extra distance.

At a 1 1/8 RA wins 1 1/4 Beating Summer Bird like a drum? I don't think so.