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Old 09-02-2009, 07:14 PM
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You bring up a good point of discussion, since the inception of the BC, has there ever been a horse considered great without running in it? Even if they didn't win.
"Great" is open to interpretation, but Mineshaft got HOY without running in the BC.

Ooh- fun trivia you pose, actually. Were there any other HOY who didn't run in the BC?
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Old 09-02-2009, 07:25 PM
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"Great" is open to interpretation, but Mineshaft got HOY without running in the BC.

Ooh- fun trivia you pose, actually. Were there any other HOY who didn't run in the BC?
Clearly I need to get a life and off the internet... Google is the greatest time waster known to mankind:

HOY who didn't run in the Breeders Cup:
John Henry
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Holy Bull
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Point Given
Mineshaft
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Old 09-02-2009, 08:52 PM
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Clearly I need to get a life and off the internet... Google is the greatest time waster known to mankind:

HOY who didn't run in the Breeders Cup:
John Henry
Spend a Buck
Criminal Type
Holy Bull
Charismatic
Point Given
Mineshaft
This is good work, I would only call 2 of those on the list great, 1 horse could have been but I am convinced his quizzable premature retirement left a big question mark on how history would judge him.
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Old 09-03-2009, 07:11 AM
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Clearly I need to get a life and off the internet... Google is the greatest time waster known to mankind:

HOY who didn't run in the Breeders Cup:
John Henry
Spend a Buck
Criminal Type
Holy Bull
Charismatic
Point Given
Mineshaft
Everyone was hurt, no one chose to not go.
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:22 AM
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Everyone was hurt, no one chose to not go.
Holy Bull wasn't hurt and I'll never believe Mineshaft was either.
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Holy Bull wasn't hurt and I'll never believe Mineshaft was either.
Mineshaft was hurt. I saw the xrays. And Holy Bull was hurt.
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Mineshaft was hurt. I saw the xrays. And Holy Bull was hurt.

Did he injure himself in the JCGC?
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:43 AM
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You can see x-rays of any horse and see something. Mineshaft wasn't hurt. His owner had no intention of sending him to the BC. How is it that you can say you horse's last race will be the JCGC and then after that, say you want to go to the BC but then you come up with an injury that you say was actually there before the BC? Just like Frankel with Sightseek in 2004.
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Did he injure himself in the JCGC?
He had a spot on the bottom of his cannon bone. No way to determine exactly when it occured, probably a combo of things. He had really bad feet.
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Mineshaft was hurt. I saw the xrays. And Holy Bull was hurt.
He was a good horse but I would never call him great.
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:56 AM
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He was a good horse but I would never call him great.
I'll never understand how he got HOY. That year, the top older males in the country were, in no order:

Candy Ride
Medaglia d'Oro
Pleasantly Perfect
Congaree
Milwaukee Brew
Mineshaft
Perfect Drift

Mineshaft only faced one of the others (Perfect Drift) and he only faced him once. And he lost.
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He was a good horse but I would never call him great.
Neither would I
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Old 09-03-2009, 08:37 AM
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Everyone was hurt, no one chose to not go.
I remember Point Given had a suspensionary injury or something like that, at the time I was very suspicious he was retired so abruptly following his Travers win and they didn't even entertain the thought of bringing him back. The public was probably robbed a chance to see him perform against older horses. Beating up on the likes of Dollar Bill & AP Valentine didn't impress me as much as others. This one smelled....
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Everyone was hurt, no one chose to not go.
Holy Bull passed the BC as a 3YO. If I remember correctly, he was not BC-nominated and Jimmy Croll wasn't going to pay the supplement. He was hurt in the Donn as a 4YO.
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Holy Bull passed the BC as a 3YO. If I remember correctly, he was not BC-nominated and Jimmy Croll wasn't going to pay the supplement. He was hurt in the Donn as a 4YO.
That's exactly the way it went.
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Old 09-03-2009, 09:28 AM
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Holy Bull passed the BC as a 3YO. If I remember correctly, he was not BC-nominated and Jimmy Croll wasn't going to pay the supplement. He was hurt in the Donn as a 4YO.
He wasnt going to pay but he was very sore. If you saw him train that Winter you would have thought he was a 10 claimer.
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"Great" is open to interpretation, but Mineshaft got HOY without running in the BC.

Ooh- fun trivia you pose, actually. Were there any other HOY who didn't run in the BC?

declan's moon got top 2 yo without running there.
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