Summer Bird pointed for The BC

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

So she beats Macho or Pass The Point. Nice but awe inspiring no.

I mean, I get what your point is, even though I vehemently disagree -- but you're definitely right here...not every race can be filled with quality foes like Dunkirk and Hold Me Back, right?

[Gander]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I mean, I get what your point is, even though I vehemently disagree -- but you're definitely right here...not every race can be filled with quality foes like Dunkirk and Hold Me Back, right?

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I mean, I get what your point is, even though I vehemently disagree -- but you're definitely right here...not every race can be filled with quality foes like Dunkirk and Hold Me Back, right?

Well a win over It's a Bird who I might add will be the wiseguy choice fresh off the Wolfson 'Icon affect' or plugger Macho Again who would be hard pressed to beat 'I need the universe and stars to align' Mine That Bird is certainly better than a win over Quality Road or 'I need the universe and stars to align' Mine That Bird. What's wrong with Dunkirk? I remember during this years Derby many of the Beyer disciples were picking him. We know they are rarely wrong...

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

Well a win over It's a Bird who I might add will be the wiseguy choice fresh off the Wolfson 'Icon affect' or plugger Macho Again who would be hard pressed to beat 'I need the universe and stars to align' Mine That Bird is certainly better than a win over Quality Road or 'I need the universe and stars to align' Mine That Bird. What's wrong with Dunkirk? I remember during this years Derby many of the Beyer disciples were picking him. We know they are rarely wrong...

Well I can only speak for myself in the portion of the conversation we're having together -- but Dunkirk always reeked of an overhyped NW2X horse...and has basically proven to be such...just one who is bred well enough to get 2nd in the least meaningful of the Triple Crown races.

So basically, everything is wrong with Dunkirk. He's not as good as everyone pretended he was. Bird beating him means as little as Quality Road beating him, something I pointed out ad nauseum elsewhere before the Travers. Beating Dunkirk is not a claim to fame, even if you do it in a Grade I race.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Well I can only speak for myself in the portion of the conversation we're having together -- but Dunkirk always reeked of an overhyped NW2X horse...and has basically proven to be such...just one who is bred well enough to get 2nd in the least meaningful of the Triple Crown races.

So basically, everything is wrong with Dunkirk. He's not as good as everyone pretended he was. Bird beating him means as little as Quality Road beating him, something I pointed out ad nauseum elsewhere before the Travers. Beating Dunkirk is not a claim to fame, even if you do it in a Grade I race.

I agree with you for the most about Dunkirk though maybe I will give him the benefit of the doubt he has had health issues, I was also poking fun with the beyer disciple remark, it seems when greatness is discussed beyers always enter the equation, so when Summer Bird beats 2 horses that have beyered very generously in QR and Dunkirk some say he hasn't beaten anything worthwhile. Hypocrisy or not?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

I agree with you for the most about Dunkirk though maybe I will give him the benefit of the doubt he has had health issues, I was also poking fun with the beyer disciple remark, it seems when greatness is discussed beyers always enter the equation, so when Summer Bird beats 2 horses that have beyered very generously in QR and Dunkirk some say he hasn't beaten anything worthwhile. Hypocrisy or not?

Not a bad dig -- just not a good one for me since I've never used Beyers to justify Rachel and have maintained that Dunkirk wasn't much (though with the caveat that you mentioned) compared to what lots thought...and that therefore Quality Road wasn't what people were saying because beating Dunkirk on a souped up racetrack didn't impress me a whole lot.