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[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Gator: Jessica has an astute advisor, who has broadened her horizons, and warned about people with different opinions. Her reaction is typical, young, thin-skinned, extemporaneous facts and suppostions undoubtedly clouded by no 'real world' experience to guage the merits of the discussion. No prob... she'll learn..hopefully

Sorry, but the personal attacks won't make me shutup or go away. It's called integrity, and nope I haven't been warned about people with different opinions, but I do know that when I start presenting them with facts and they start personally attacking, that I am winning the argument. Thin-skinned...I don't think so. Am I acting like I'm thin-skinned? No, if I was thin-skinned I would have given up a long time ago. No real world experience...let's just say that my own mother has said that I have had a tough enough life for three or four people. Some here know what I am going through, and some of the things that I have gone through. Many would have fallen into extreme depression, but I keep plugging away. I live in the real world and am not naive. You know nothing about me.

[timmgirvan]

KR: I'm not attacking you! The same flawed thinking you accuse CGator of, you are guilty of also. WAAAH If you think THAT was an attack, you'd better stay a student. Other than that ...good luck and hope things work out for you!

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

KR: I'm not attacking you! The same flawed thinking you accuse CGator of, you are guilty of also. WAAAH If you think THAT was an attack, you'd better stay a student. Other than that ...good luck and hope things work out for you!

And what flawed thinking is that Tim, having a different opinion from you and Cajun. WAAAH. LOL

I have never been attacked like I have on this board in real life. That is because most people from this board wouldn't have the balls to say some of this stuff in real life. You can hide behind the screen name here. Sure, I've had people get in my face before, and have gotten into some heated discussions with people in real life, but they never personally attack me...at least, people that I don't know very well. I never back down if I think I am right. However, listening to other people has made me change my mind before. Once I was like you, and thought that the government was good and wouldn't dare lie to its people. I worshipped Bush, but then I changed. I came into the 'real world'. LOL.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

And what flawed thinking is that Tim, having a different opinion from you and Cajun. WAAAH. LOL

I have never been attacked like I have on this board in real life. That is because most people from this board wouldn't have the balls to say some of this stuff in real life. You can hide behind the screen name here. Sure, I've had people get in my face before, and have gotten into some heated discussions with people in real life, but they never personally attack me...at least, people that I don't know very well. I never back down if I think I am right. However, listening to other people has made me change my mind before. Once I was like you, and thought that the government was good and wouldn't dare lie to its people. I worshipped Bush, but then I changed. I came into the 'real world'. LOL.

I sure as hell don't worship Bush. Am I a Republican? Yes, I most certainly am. I was a Republican before GW and I'll be a Republican after GW. He doesn't make the Republican party, but hey... you'd know that if you bothered to look into it. And please point out to me where someone has posted that the "government is good and wouldn't dare lie to its people?" Geesh... everyone knows that there is scum in the government. Hell, anywhere that things are run by humans, there's going to be scum. That's the way it's always been.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

IAnd please point out to me where someone has posted that the "government is good and wouldn't dare lie to its people?"

I think that was a description of the Clinton administration ...

... no lies ... ever.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I sure as hell don't worship Bush. Am I a Republican? Yes, I most certainly am. I was a Republican before GW and I'll be a Republican after GW. He doesn't make the Republican party, but hey... you'd know that if you bothered to look into it. And please point out to me where someone has posted that the "government is good and wouldn't dare lie to its people?" Geesh... everyone knows that there is scum in the government. Hell, anywhere that things are run by humans, there's going to be scum. That's the way it's always been.

When did I say that Bush makes up the Republican party? In fact, some of the Republicans are starting to speak up against some of the things that Bush is doing. And please don't assume that I don't know this stuff. I know that Bush doesn't make up the entire Republican party. In fact, please go back and post where I would have directly stated or implied that I thought Bush ran the entire Republican party. You won't find it because I never said it or anything that resembled it. I know that Bush is only "one" representative of the Republican party that has many other representatives.

So...you're a Republican...I must say that was gutsy to admit that under the circumstances. So no wonder your views are different...I'm not in either party or for any party in particular. I'm for the people who I think will best serve this country and its people no matter the party. I don't want to limit myself like that. It's an individual sort of thing for me. I like some things the Repubs do and some things the Dems do.

Most of all, I'm for America, her people, and those who are fighting for this wonderful country. I wish we had a monument rising out of the fallen World Trade Centers symbolizing our strength and the people who died bravely for us. We need to stand together in these times. It is the only way that this great empire will succeed through this struggle. We must have courage like those in 1776 did. We must stand firm and unwavering. It is the only way in which we will win as a country. She is falling on a downhill slope right now.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

When did I say that Bush doesn't make the Republican party. In fact, some of the Republicans are starting to speak up against some of the things that Bush is doing. And please don't assume that I don't know this stuff. I know that Bush doesn't make up the entire Republican party. In fact, please go back and post where I would have directly stated or implied that I thought Bush ran the entire Republican party. You won't find it because I never said it or anything that resembled it.

So...you're a Republican...I must say that was gutsy to admit that under the circumstances. So no wonder your views are different...I'm not in either party or for any party in particular. I'm for the people who I think will best serve this country and its people no matter the party. I don't want to limit myself like that. It's an individual sort of thing for me. I like some things the Repubs do and some things the Dems do.

Most of all, I'm for America, her people, and those who are fighting for this wonderful country. I wish we had a monument rising out of the fallen World Trade Centers symbolizing our strength and the people who died bravely for us. We need to stand together in these times. It is the only way that this great empire will succeed through this struggle. We must have courage like those in 1776 did. We must stand firm and unwavering. It is the only way in which we will win as a country. She is falling on a downhill slope right now.

I was taught by my father that you should always vote for your party. It's the party that rules the country. There are things that I like and dislike about both the Republican party and the Democrat party, but either way, I'm going to vote for the Republican candidate for President because I made up my mind that I was a Republican and that's how you show your support. Basically, it's either one or the other.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I was taught by my father that you should always vote for your party. It's the party that rules the country. There are things that I like and dislike about both the Republican party and the Democrat party, but either way, I'm going to vote for the Republican candidate for President because I made up my mind that I was a Republican and that's how you show your support. Basically, it's either one or the other.

I disagree with that. I think you should always vote for the person and not the party. There are bad people in both parties. I'm not going to vote for someone I don't like just because he's in one party. I would never vote for that idiot Bob Goodlatte or whatever his name is. He's a republican congressmen in Kentucky or somewhere in that part of the country. He was the guy who was responsible for the bill that would try to outlaw most forms of internet wagering. In addition, he was leading the opposition against the bill that would stop them from sending horses to slaughterhouses. That guy is the worst. I don't care what party he is in.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Jessica, I hope you don't think that I "attacked" you. I did say that the Patriot Act is a non-partsian law that is recognized by lawmakers in both party as essential. It passed the Senate the first time by a vote of 98-1 or something like that. It passed the Senate the 2nd time by a vote of 89-11. I assume you know that the Senate has around 52 republicans and 48 democrats or something like that. So practically everyone in both parties in the Senate agree that the Patriot Act is absoluletly necessary. I was saying that if you don't think the Patriot Act is necessary, then I give up, you are "hopeless".

I wouldn't really call hat a persoanl attack. If someone said they don't think Bernardini is a good horse, I would say the person is pretty "hopeless". That's not really a personal attack. That would be a fact. If someone thinks that Bernardini is not a good horse, that person is beyond help.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Jessica, I hope you don't think that I "attacked" you. I did say that the Patriot Act is a non-partsian law that is recognized by lawmakers in both party as essential. It passed the Senate the first time by a vote of 98-1 or something like that. It passed the Senate the 2nd time by a vote of 89-11. I assume you know that the Senate has around 52 republicans and 48 democrats or something like that. So practically everyone in both parties in the Senate agree that the Patriot Act is absoluletly necessary. I was saying that if you don't think the Patriot Act is necessary, then I give up, you are "hopeless".

I wouldn't really call hat a persoanl attack. If someone said they don't think Bernardini is a good horse, I would say the person is pretty "hopeless". That's not really a personal attack. That would be a fact. If someone thinks that Bernardini is not a good horse, that person is beyond help.

No, Rupert, I don't think that you attacked me because I think that the Patriot Act was absolutely necessary. However, I do think that some are taking that act a little too far, although I don't know for sure. Almost everything is just speculation and opinion about everything going on in the government right now.

Also, I think that you may have used the word 'hopeless' out of context in this instance. It is set in stone that Bernardini is a good horse because we have all physically seen him and just what he does. However, we cannot possibly see for a fact everything that is going on in the government right now and what is right or wrong, and if they are abusing powers or not. Like I said earlier, everything is opinion and speculation. Nothing is set in stone. The history books won't be finished for many years on what is going on right now in this current government, because it is very complicated. History could totally rewrite itself. Who knows, it could all be some huge conspiracy theory!? Now, I don't think that this is the case, but none of us who aren't in the government don't know for an absolute fact, do we?

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Sorry, but the personal attacks won't make me shutup or go away.

"Thin-skinned" describes someone who overreacts to even the most benign attempts at analysis and provision of advice.

That's exactly what you've done on several occasions. Providing contradictory facts and/or expressing opposing opinions ... is not a personal attack.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

No real world experience...let's just say that my own mother has said that I have had a tough enough life for three or four people.

Experience ... by definition ... is something which can only be acquired with time ... it's not something which can be manufactured or willed.

Don't feel bad that most people here are older than you are ... because some day you'll be the old one ... and more in a position to understand what experience really is.

We were all once as young as you are ... but you've never been as old as we are.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Experience ... by definition ... is something which can only be acquired with time ... it's not something which can be manufactured or willed.

Don't feel bad that most people here are older than you are ... because some day you'll be the old one ... and more in a position to understand what experience really is.

We were all once as young as you are ... but you've never been as old as we are.

You got that right, old man ... I'll never be as old as you! HAHA!

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You got that right, old man ... I'll never be as old as you! HAHA!

And Jessica will never be as old as you.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

And Jessica will never be as old as you.

You're right about that... I am feeling the years right now as we type.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Experience ... by definition ... is something which can only be acquired with time ... it's not something which can be manufactured or willed.

Don't feel bad that most people here are older than you are ... because some day you'll be the old one ... and more in a position to understand what experience really is.

We were all once as young as you are ... but you've never been as old as we are.

Well, some people grow up faster than others do because they have to. Just because I don't supposedly have any "real world experience" according to you all, doesn't mean that I'm not smarter and wiser than some of the people who are older than me. Experience is all what you do with it. For example...I had a friend who had ridden a lot longer than me yet I beat her every time in the big EQ classes. She couldn't figure out how in the world that I was beating her when she had ridden twice as long as me. Well, even though she thought that she had more experience than me, she really didn't. She had only been riding one horse a day, whereas I had been riding four and five. It took me half the time to become a professional trainer than it does most people. By the time I was seventeen, I had clients. Of course, I was lucky. I had a great teacher who saw the potential and determination, took me under her wing, and got me started. Of course, I have had to let off of it because of my college work and other jobs. Boy, do I miss it, but I will rise back to the top one of these days.

I don't get the "real world" experience remarks anyway when it comes to matters such as politics. It's what you know, and how you use what you know...not how old you are or how much experience you have.

[Cajungator26]

[quote=kentuckyrosesinmay]Well, some people grow up faster than others do because they have to. Just because I don't supposedly have any "real world experience" according to you all, doesn't mean that I'm not smarter and wiser than people who are older than me. Experience is all what you do with it. For example...I had a friend who had ridden a lot longer than me yet I beat her every time in the big EQ classes. She couldn't figure out how in the world that I was beating her when she had ridden twice as long as me. Well, even though she thought that she had more experience than me, she really didn't. She had only been riding one horse a day, whereas I had been riding four and five. It took me half the time to become a professional trainer than it does most people. By the time I was seventeen, I had clients. Of course, I was lucky. I had a great teacher who saw the potential and determination, took me under her wing, and got me started. Of course, I have had to let off of it because of my college work and other jobs. Boy, do I miss it, but I will rise back to the top one of these days.

I don't get the "real world" experience remarks anyway when it comes to matters such as politics. It's what you know, and how you use what you

Just curious, but what do you consider "the top?" I would say making the Olympic team would be the top of the equestrian world. Have you done that? If so, I'm impressed.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

[quote=Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Just curious, but what do you consider "the top?" I would say making the Olympic team would be the top of the equestrian world. Have you done that? If so, I'm impressed.

If you kept up with the Olympics, it's rules, who competes, how it works in the equestrian disciplines, and the history of the Olympics, you would know that I have not ever ridden in the Olympics. I'm only 21. You also aren't easily impressed. I am impressed with many horses and riders. Sure, the Olympics and the WEG are the top echelon of horse showing in which only like 0.001 riders ever compete there. However, there is much, much more than international competition. I'm impressed with young riders and juniors that win the Maclay Finals, and the Big EQ classes like them at all of the prestigious A-AAA shows. Those are the future Olympic riders and stars.

Just for the record, when I referred to back to the top, I meant just being able to RIDE and compete in my respectable show divisions because I haven't been able to compete very much this yearIn fact, I have only been able to go to schooling shows because I haven't had the time to get my horses prepared to win at any other type of show. I don't like to go to the more prestigious shows unless my horses are working right, and I think that I have a good chance to win. I haven't even been able to keep my show horses in shape. Back to the top also referred to the clients that I once had, and the money I was making off of training. I can't even compete in the A/O classes anymore because I am considered a professional since I have made money off of it in the past. I have to show against other professionals. What I meant was back to the highest level that I had ever competed in. Of course, I will get better and go further after I get out of college because I will have the resources. Financial resources were the only thing that was holding me back. Yes, you may very well see me competing in international competitions for the United States one day.

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I don't get the "real world" experience remarks anyway when it comes to matters such as politics. It's what you know, and how you use what you know...not how old you are or how much experience you have.

Here's what I'd like you to do ...

... save all these political threads on which you've participated ... put them on a disc and/or print them out ... and put them in a drawer or box some place ... with a little note that says ... "Do Not Open Until 2030." And don't lose the box.

When you open the box ... and read what you said here 23 years ago ... you'll be in for quite a shock.

Then contact me on the "Remember When There Used To Be Something Called Thoroughbred Racing?" website ... and we'll have a few laughs.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Here's what I'd like you to do ...

... save all these political threads on which you've participated ... put them on a disc and/or print them out ... and put them in a drawer or box some place ... with a little note that says ... "Do Not Open Until 2030." And don't lose the box.

When you open the box ... and read what you said here 23 years ago ... you'll be in for quite a shock.

Then contact me on the "Remember When There Used To Be Something Called Thoroughbred Racing?" website ... and we'll have a few laughs.

You're probably right BB, but then again, you may not be.

I hope Thoroughbred racing is still around in 23 years!!! Although, I am worried about the direction in which this sport is heading too.