When is Tiago coming back?

CSC · #1 08-27-2009, 06:56 AM

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That horse looked really bad, I thought he looked horrid in the post parade, he is not the most energetic horse but he looked like he had been Aced or something. I know they will say it was a prep, or the turf but that was just flat horrible.

I made the buyer beware analogy of name dirt horses that return on turf after an extended layoff about a month and a half ago with Colonel John, that time it didn't materialize, however as anyone saw yesterday Tiago looked absolutely awful in a very weak field that was even minus a money burner probable 2nd choice Becrux. Maybe it was an experiment but he certainly doesn't belong on turf after that episode.

10 pnt move up · #2 08-27-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I made the buyer beware analogy of name dirt horses that return on turf after an extended layoff about a month and a half ago with Colonel John, that time it didn't materialize, however as anyone saw yesterday Tiago looked absolutely awful in a very weak field that was even minus a money burner probable 2nd choice Becrux. Maybe it was an experiment but he certainly doesn't belong on turf after that episode.

like I said elsewhere, the people that made that horse 4/5 and used him in any multi race sequence are my hero and the reason that there is hope in this game.

King Glorious · #3 08-27-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CSC

I made the buyer beware analogy of name dirt horses that return on turf after an extended layoff about a month and a half ago with Colonel John, that time it didn't materialize, however as anyone saw yesterday Tiago looked absolutely awful in a very weak field that was even minus a money burner probable 2nd choice Becrux. Maybe it was an experiment but he certainly doesn't belong on turf after that episode.

It wasn't an experiment. His trainer clearly said he wasn't looking to see how the horse performed on grass but was using this race to get him ready for a run at the Goodwood and BC Classic. That's what I was saying earlier when Colonel John was racing. Too many people look at the race and read too much into it instead of looking at the purpose of the race. The purpose for both of these horses was just to get them back on the track and get a race into them. They weren't the goal races. Tiago did look awful yesterday. He would have looked awful on any surface the way he ran yesterday. To blame it on the grass would only be an attempt to prove you are right about dirt horses returning on the grass.

TitanSooner · #4 08-27-2009, 11:27 AM

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It wasn't an experiment. His trainer clearly said he wasn't looking to see how the horse performed on grass but was using this race to get him ready for a run at the Goodwood and BC Classic. That's what I was saying earlier when Colonel John was racing. Too many people look at the race and read too much into it instead of looking at the purpose of the race. The purpose for both of these horses was just to get them back on the track and get a race into them. They weren't the goal races. Tiago did look awful yesterday. He would have looked awful on any surface the way he ran yesterday. To blame it on the grass would only be an attempt to prove you are right about dirt horses returning on the grass.

Exactly. And Shirreffs pointed out he didn't want them to run on the Poly.. so grass it was.

Gander · #5 08-28-2009, 07:08 AM

I dont think Tiago could beat Bullsbay. How is it a foregone conclusion that he so easily could come east and win races like the Whitney? What has he done for you lately to make such a statement? Since when was Tigao such a killer on natural dirt? I must have missed those races.

CSC · #6 08-27-2009, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by King Glorious

It wasn't an experiment. His trainer clearly said he wasn't looking to see how the horse performed on grass but was using this race to get him ready for a run at the Goodwood and BC Classic. That's what I was saying earlier when Colonel John was racing. Too many people look at the race and read too much into it instead of looking at the purpose of the race. The purpose for both of these horses was just to get them back on the track and get a race into them. They weren't the goal races. Tiago did look awful yesterday. He would have looked awful on any surface the way he ran yesterday. To blame it on the grass would only be an attempt to prove you are right about dirt horses returning on the grass.

Yes, we know that or most know...prep races are nothing new. Starting a dirt horse off an extended layoff after running below form in their last races or races on turf for the 1st time should raise an eyebrow.

King Glorious · #7 08-27-2009, 12:08 PM

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Yes, we know that or most know...prep races are nothing new. Starting a dirt horse off an extended layoff after running below form in their last races or races on turf for the 1st time should raise an eyebrow.

I don't think it should at all.

CSC · #8 08-27-2009, 12:24 PM

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I don't think it should at all.

What I am suggesting is a start on turf off of an extended layoff for any non turf horse could be construed as something was or is amiss with the horse and they chose that race because turf racing is easier on a horse. Could it be a prep yes, could there be other reasons? Yes and no and maybe.

King Glorious · #9 08-27-2009, 02:02 PM

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What I am suggesting is a start on turf off of an extended layoff for any non turf horse could be construed as something was or is amiss with the horse and they chose that race because turf racing is easier on a horse. Could it be a prep yes, could there be other reasons? Yes and no and maybe.

I think that when a horse like Tiago or Colonel John is off for any extended period like they were, you don't have to assume anything was amiss. You know it for a fact. Turf racing is easier on them than dirt racing but I don't think it's something that should make you wonder a little bit more about their condition because they are being brought back in a grass race instead of a dirt race. Because grass racing is easier, I've always thought it was better to prep for big races on dirt with grass preps because they aren't are hard on the horse as a dirt race but at the same time, they give you more conditioning than trying to get your horse to a big race off of works. They want to get Colonel John up to the Pacific Classic but don't want to throw him right into the fire in the San Diego and I'd imagine it's not the easiest thing getting allowances to fill for him so you try the grass. I just don't think it's as much of a red flag as you do.

TitanSooner · #10 08-27-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CSC

What I am suggesting is a start on turf off of an extended layoff for any non turf horse could be construed as something was or is amiss with the horse and they chose that race because turf racing is easier on a horse. Could it be a prep yes, could there be other reasons? Yes and no and maybe.

Shirreffs said before the race that he was bringing back Tiago to get some prep in before the Breeders Cup and that Tiago HATED the poly so he opted to get a race under him on the turf.

chucklestheclown · #11 08-27-2009, 07:19 PM

And he sucked; if that was a prep they should retreat and regroup ASAP. He'll probably be retired by the end of the month, 4 days from now.

CSC · #12 08-28-2009, 06:43 AM

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Shirreffs said before the race that he was bringing back Tiago to get some prep in before the Breeders Cup and that Tiago HATED the poly so he opted to get a race under him on the turf.

If he hated poly, I wonder what Sheriff's opinion of Tiago is on turf?