Leading Trainer / Jockey 2 weeks to go

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

You are missing the point. Lukas, Maker, Romans and Stewart are not NY based nor do they have anywhere near the depth of talent or numbers of the others listed. Tagg and Jerkens have medium sized barns and are very conservative especially with young horses. Weaver doesnt have many quality young horses and either does Hough. The truth is that all the guys listed can go out of business and thier horses will be absorbed into the 5 guys listeds barns without missing a beat.

[johnny pinwheel]

with two weeks left anything can happen. i wouldn't hold my breath

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are missing the point. Lukas, Maker, Romans and Stewart are not NY based nor do they have anywhere near the depth of talent or numbers of the others listed. Tagg and Jerkens have medium sized barns and are very conservative especially with young horses. Weaver doesnt have many quality young horses and either does Hough. The truth is that all the guys listed can go out of business and thier horses will be absorbed into the 5 guys listeds barns without missing a beat.

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

If he said get all the good 2yos would that make you feel better?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

If he said get all the good 2yos would that make you feel better?

It would be every bit as wrong. 9 or 10 guys get the bulk of the pricey yearlings and choicy homebreds.

Rick Violette probably has the best 2-year-olds overall so far this year and he doesn't get either.

He's got 1K Bull Market yearlings that go 20.40 and dirt cheap Forbidden Apple's that destroy Jess Jackson/Asmussen Mdo's who go 9.60.

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It would be every bit as wrong. 9 or 10 guys get the bulk of the pricey yearlings and choicy homebreds.

Rick Violette probably has the best 2-year-olds overall so far this year and he doesn't get either.

He's got 1K Bull Market yearlings that go 20.40 and dirt cheap Forbidden Apple's that destroy Jess Jackson/Asmussen Mdo's who go 9.60.

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

Please with Rick Violette. Winning a couple of maiden races with a cheap horse isnt what we are talking about.

Again Pletcher, McLaughlin and Assmussen each all have more two year olds training in places other than Saratoga than Rick Violette has total horses.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please with Rick Violette. Winning a couple of maiden races with a cheap horse isnt what we are talking about.

Again Pletcher, McLaughlin and Assmussen each all have more two year olds training in places other than Saratoga than Rick Violette has total horses.

Chuck he has won more then a couple. He is dominating. He just ran second in another one this past Saturday. A NY bred that the barn is high on. Mclaughlin has been a disaster so far at Saratoga w/ 2 yr olds.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chuck he has won more then a couple. He is dominating. He just ran second in another one this past Saturday. A NY bred that the barn is high on. Mclaughlin has been a disaster so far at Saratoga w/ 2 yr olds.

I expect you to miss the point. But I will make one more attempt to explain especially if you promise to show up online for the NBA draft next year.
The fact is that a very small number of trainers get a disportionate number of the best young horses. These trainers cant possibly run all their horses at Saratoga so they send them out of town or simply delay running them because they can only race so many horses in a given race. Then there is the factor of impressive maidens or winners being bought and given to these same few trainers. The competitive balance that used to exist, no longer exists because the few control the many. It isnt about what HAS happened at Saratoga, it is what HASNT happened.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please with Rick Violette. Winning a couple of maiden races with a cheap horse isnt what we are talking about.

Again Pletcher, McLaughlin and Assmussen each all have more two year olds training in places other than Saratoga than Rick Violette has total horses.

Violette clearly has more 2yo debut wins at Saratoga over the course of this decade than two of the 3 trainers you mention.

He's also easily tops all trainers for best group of 2yo's unleashed so far this year with Worstcasescenerio, Bulls and Bears, Not Macho Any More, Capitalisim At Risk, and Fenway Faithful.

Again - you said that four or five guys get all the good 2yo's .. what you mean is that they get a high volume of choicy homebreds and expensive yearlings.

Just like Rick Violette dominates these 2yo races at Saratoga because he goes out and gets athletes without fancy pedigree and conformation.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Violette clearly has more 2yo debut wins at Saratoga over the course of this decade than two of the 3 trainers you mention.

He's also easily tops all trainers for best group of 2yo's unleashed so far this year with Worstcasescenerio, Bulls and Bears, Not Macho Any More, Capitalisim At Risk, and Fenway Faithful.

Again - you said that four or five guys get all the good 2yo's .. what you mean is that they get a high volume of choicy homebreds and expensive yearlings.

Just like Rick Violette dominates these 2yo races at Saratoga because he goes out and gets athletes without fancy pedigree and conformation.

You are having comprehension issues also but dont provide any oo the comedy that PG1985 does

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It would be every bit as wrong. 9 or 10 guys get the bulk of the pricey yearlings and choicy homebreds.

Rick Violette probably has the best 2-year-olds overall so far this year and he doesn't get either.

He's got 1K Bull Market yearlings that go 20.40 and dirt cheap Forbidden Apple's that destroy Jess Jackson/Asmussen Mdo's who go 9.60.

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

He's got a Macho Uno that he beleives is tons better then the Holy Bull.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He's got a Holy Bull that was a 47K yearling that should have easily won the Sanford who goes 20.60 among others.

Please tell me that was a typo. I'm not so impressed by a 47k yearling.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

I said young horses, not just two year olds. And they do have the vast majority of the best two year olds, most of which we havent seen yet. Some who have been sent elsewhere because they cant get raced at Saratoga. That is the difference.