Leading Trainer / Jockey 2 weeks to go

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It's really all about horses not running as often as they once did. Basically you're blaming horsemen for not running their horses.

As for Saratoga, they carded a total of 339 races in 2001 .. they carded 359 races last year.

That's 20 more races total.

36 turf sprints were carded last year.

State bred races have become more and more ... because the number of NY bred horses have increased over the last decade ... and connections of NY breds are less likely to wait five or six weeks between starts.

The kind of open allowance races we all like to see carded are now going with 5 horses and featuring lone speed mediocrites like Pitched Perfectly stealing them from horses like Ea (who scratched 3 times earlier in the meet)

As for the 2yo maiden races on the dirt ... the onslought of wet weather all summer long has likely set training of some of them back.

In relation to what's going on at other tracks - especially Southern Cal ones - the quality of racing is going good at Saratoga.

Whatever the reasoning, the quality of racing at Saratoga has decreased rapidly. What you also forgot was that 4 or 5 trainers have virtually all the good young horses and slots states make the purse difference between the Spa and other places far less.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What you also forgot was that 4 or 5 trainers have virtually all the good young horses.

Which 4 or 5?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Which 4 or 5?

Pletcher
McLaughlin
Mott
Dutrow
Assmussen

Did I miss anyone?

Maybe Zito?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

I think Stately Victor for Maker, the Adena sale topper, is gonna be a very serious 2yo when the races start going 2 turns.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Rick Violette has a small army of very fast 2yo sales cheapies.

He's 20-for-87 with a giant flat bet profit in Spa 2yo races since 2001. And he had 3 or 4 open debut winners at Belmont in 2yo MSW's just prior to this meet. The Forbidden Apple he dominated the Grade 2 with was the outright fastest horse of all 4 sessions at OBS April.

Stan Hough has a small army of nice 2yo's related to Discreet Cat. Two of them romped last week.

Lukas, Maker, Romans, Weaver, Stewart, Jimmy Jerkens, and Tagg have some that cost money .. and even the great Eddie Kennelly.

You are missing the point. Lukas, Maker, Romans and Stewart are not NY based nor do they have anywhere near the depth of talent or numbers of the others listed. Tagg and Jerkens have medium sized barns and are very conservative especially with young horses. Weaver doesnt have many quality young horses and either does Hough. The truth is that all the guys listed can go out of business and thier horses will be absorbed into the 5 guys listeds barns without missing a beat.

[johnny pinwheel]

with two weeks left anything can happen. i wouldn't hold my breath

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You are missing the point. Lukas, Maker, Romans and Stewart are not NY based nor do they have anywhere near the depth of talent or numbers of the others listed. Tagg and Jerkens have medium sized barns and are very conservative especially with young horses. Weaver doesnt have many quality young horses and either does Hough. The truth is that all the guys listed can go out of business and thier horses will be absorbed into the 5 guys listeds barns without missing a beat.

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

If he said get all the good 2yos would that make you feel better?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes .. but you said that 4 or 5 guys have all the good 2yos.

I said young horses, not just two year olds. And they do have the vast majority of the best two year olds, most of which we havent seen yet. Some who have been sent elsewhere because they cant get raced at Saratoga. That is the difference.