Weekend Beyers..

[chucklestheclown]

Truly unimpressive.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

The first three are all trained by females ... and is that the first triple digit Beyer figure in the history of Yavapi Downs?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Upon further review ... it's not the first triple digit Beyer ever at Yavapi Downs.

In fact, the horse bounced. He ran a 104 Beyer at Yavapi Downs in his prior start .. and was "vanned off" after the regression to 100 this past weekend.

Going through charts, this horse was off the board in a $6,250 claiming race at Golden Gate in March of this year.

He leaves the synthetic and moves to the real dirt .. and his figures explode initially but it looks like he might have broke down.

Just more fuel for Jerry Brown. Hopefully Carless Jewel doesn't go all I Want Revenge on us.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Upon further review ... it's not the first triple digit Beyer ever at Yavapi Downs.

In fact, the horse bounced. He ran a 104 Beyer at Yavapi Downs in his prior start .. and was "vanned off" after the regression to 100 this past weekend.

Going through charts, this horse was off the board in a $6,250 claiming race at Golden Gate in March of this year.

He leaves the synthetic and moves to the real dirt .. and his figures explode initially but it looks like he might have broke down.

Just more fuel for Jerry Brown. Hopefully Carless Jewel doesn't go all I Want Revenge on us.

That 100 at Yav is totally bogus. Check out the times of the sprints and compare it to the time of the route. I know you should use separate variants for sprints and routes, but the spread that day is ridiculous.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I will ...

Do you actually bet Apple Pie Downs?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I will ...

Do you actually bet Apple Pie Downs?

Sure, big rebates, why not?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

He leaves the synthetic and moves to the real dirt .. and his figures explode initially but it looks like he might have broke down.

Just more fuel for Jerry Brown. Hopefully Carless Jewel doesn't go all I Want Revenge on us.

Seems like there could be lots of horses like this wasting away on rubber.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Seems like there could be lots of horses like this wasting away on rubber.

Uh Huh

Think of all the SLOW horses on rubber that turn out to be FAST on dirt.

This alone should be enough to justify all those days when it rains and the handicapper is subjected to sloppy tracks and off the turfers. Of course, anyone accustomed to playing poly just, in most cases, handicaps as if nothing has changed on days like this. That's handicapping free and easy.

Lets consider the options:

1) we get FAST figures and we spend a lot of extra time handicapping races that aren't run on their intended surface AND, more importantly, we preserve that long held DIRT IS SUPERIOR tradition in horse racing. we also get a ton of freebies with all the track biases

2) we IGNORE figures and get to bet on what we handicap and enjoy FAIR racing

I've opted for 2 as I'm not committed to a FIGURE PARADIGM and a proponent of doing as little work as possible and playing FAIR whenever possible

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Think of all the SLOW horses on rubber that turn out to be FAST on dirt.

Yeah, very fast for a race ... or sometimes two ... before they typically fall off the face of the planet.

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

2) we IGNORE figures and get to bet on what we handicap and enjoy FAIR racing

I'm still showing a flat bet profit with my top selection at PID for the 2nd year in a row.

I can promise you that making figures is more important there than at any track I've ever seen before ... and the racing is often anything but "fair"

There have been no-brainer severe dead rails in 2008 that have lasted each racing day for several weeks. There have been no-brainer gold rails at this meet - that have lasted for as many as 9 or 10 racing days at a time.

There have been EXTREME speed biases that have occured for several day stretches over each of the three meetings.

I've got trip notes for every single day of Saratoga this meet. I don't have a single day - not one - where either a pro speed or anti speed bias occured.

I only have a path bias for one day .. on Aug 22nd I have a very lukewarm "rail didn't seem like the best place to be all day"

To bet a track like PID while ignoring figures and bias would be outright suicide. Those are by far and away the two dominant factors for that track imo.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I've got trip notes for every single day of Saratoga this meet. I don't have a single day - not one - where either a pro speed or anti speed bias occured.

I don't play SAR seriously, so I don't keep any notes but I'm certain there was a speed/inside bias for a couple of days on the turf, sprinting, early in the meet.