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[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It is a stretch to link the war and healthcare. The problem with Obamas program is that even though we all admit our current system is flawed, his program will be much worse. The fact remains that #1 this is not the right time to try to do something like this (unless you admit politically that this is the only time that it has a prayer of getting through, which it doesnt) and #2 it is a really bad plan with a lot of unanswered questions. The fact that there is discord should be the signal to come to the table with the opposition party and attempt to put something together in a bi-partisan manner (you know how he said he was going to operate?). However he continues to campaign in staged sessions that no doubt will lead to further divides. This program is not only going to be a drain on the economy, it will lower healthcare standards and care in our country overall, put the govt in places it shouldnt be and further injure small business with its ridiclous taxes. The fact is that this program should be despised by the very people Obama loves to claim he support, the "middle class". They are the ones that will suffer as the rich will still pay privately for their own care after the insurance companies are all gone but the suckers in the middle will have to turn to this govt run future disaster. The poor will still be poor but they sure will be able to visit the doctor when their back is sore from sleeping on the street.

Or:

The current program is flawed, and Obama's plan (actually "he" doesn't have a plan, the House and the Senate are making up the plans, which is the source of much of the problem) - will make everything much better.

The House plans and Senate plan will be merged in Committee. That's "bipartisanship".

You'll notice that Obama wanted bipartisanship in working out the plans from the start, and the GOP pretty much came up with "don't do anything!" and "death panels". Thanks, guys, great input!

There has been inaction on health care for decades - now is the time to finally get something done.

The program not only will not be a drain on our economy, it will raise healthcare standards and care in our country overall. Small business will benefit with a reduction of monies they must spend on healthcare, or enable them to provide healthcare if they do not now.

The middle class will have ever greater options, and greater coverage, at lower cost.

[Danzig]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or:

The current program is flawed, and Obama's plan (actually "he" doesn't have a plan, the House and the Senate are making up the plans, which is the source of much of the problem) - will make everything much better.

The House plans and Senate plan will be merged in Committee. That's "bipartisanship".

You'll notice that Obama wanted bipartisanship in working out the plans from the start, and the GOP pretty much came up with "don't do anything!" and "death panels". Thanks, guys, great input!

There has been inaction on health care for decades - now is the time to finally get something done.

The program not only will not be a drain on our economy, it will raise healthcare standards and care in our country overall. Small business will benefit with a reduction of monies they must spend on healthcare, or enable them to provide healthcare if they do not now.

The middle class will have ever greater options, and greater coverage, at lower cost.

lol
perhaps it's you that should read the details-or are you just not bothering to read what the CBO has put out?

as for inaction, presidents beginning with teddy roosevelt have attempted to do something. problem is, the issues are more wide-ranging then just providing health care-it's that our fed is trying to be everything to everyone, and we don't have the money.

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[quote=Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

lol
perhaps it's you that should read the details-or are you just not bothering to read what the CBO has put out?

as for inaction, presidents beginning with teddy roosevelt have attempted to do something. problem is, the issues are more wide-ranging then just providing health care-it's that our fed is trying to be everything to everyone, and we don't have the money.

I am well aware of the details, I've watched all three Town Hall meetings this past week, I've read all that Fox and WSJ etc. have said on the other side, and I'm going by what the CBO has said last week.

Regarding other issues, yes, they are more wide-ranging than health care. But health care is on the table now, and everyone associated with it - including Obama - have said they will not sign off on it if it adds to the deficit (if it cannot be self-funding)

[Danzig]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I am well aware of the details, I've watched all three Town Hall meetings this past week, I've read all that Fox and WSJ etc. have said on the other side, and I'm going by what the CBO has said last week.

Regarding other issues, yes, they are more wide-ranging than health care. But health care is on the table now, and everyone associated with it - including Obama - have said they will not sign off on it if it adds to the deficit (if it cannot be self-funding)

then they are wasting their time, and ours, as it will add to the deficit.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

I am well aware of the details, I've watched all three Town Hall meetings this past week, I've read all that Fox and WSJ etc. have said on the other side, and I'm going by what the CBO has said last week.

Regarding other issues, yes, they are more wide-ranging than health care. But health care is on the table now, and everyone associated with it - including Obama - have said they will not sign off on it if it adds to the deficit (if it cannot be self-funding)

All Obama's hand picked town hall meetings.

The thought that this will be self funding is so laughable that I can not believe anyone believes that. They know it cant be but once they have it in place , you know what happens. A massive govt program that pays for itself. Yeah sure.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or:

The current program is flawed, and Obama's plan (actually "he" doesn't have a plan, the House and the Senate are making up the plans, which is the source of much of the problem) - will make everything much better.

The House plans and Senate plan will be merged in Committee. That's "bipartisanship".

You'll notice that Obama wanted bipartisanship in working out the plans from the start, and the GOP pretty much came up with "don't do anything!" and "death panels". Thanks, guys, great input!

There has been inaction on health care for decades - now is the time to finally get something done.

The program not only will not be a drain on our economy, it will raise healthcare standards and care in our country overall. Small business will benefit with a reduction of monies they must spend on healthcare, or enable them to provide healthcare if they do not now.

The middle class will have ever greater options, and greater coverage, at lower cost.

Do you work in the white house now?

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[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Do you work in the white house now?

No, I don't limit myself to thinking only what Fox News tells me to think.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No, I don't limit myself to thinking only what Fox News tells me to think.

I believe that my "thinking" comes from a far more diverse range of sources than yours considering that you seem to be content with reading White House press releases for your info.

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Are we still going to cover illegal aliens? They were counted among the "uninsured".