Cash for Clunkers Success

[Danzig]

it's all well and good to close the gap on the uninsured. but who is going to pay for this plan if it passes? obama says he won't raise taxes and will cover everyone-i guess he'll do some hollywood type accounting, and then we'll get hit with a massive bill a few years down the road. but he'll be out of office by then, it won't be his problem. he can go on the lecture circuit and make $$ talking about how he passed universal health care. the fact that it's only adding to a tremendously huge defecit won't matter-to him.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's all well and good to close the gap on the uninsured. but who is going to pay for this plan if it passes? .

2/3 from Medicare-Medicad inefficiency cutting, 1/3 from lowering
tax deductions on those that make over $250K per year from 36% to 28% (making that bracket deduction limits like the vast majority of other Americans)

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

From the other side, I think many who have health insurance treat it like they would a smorgasbord restaurant as in they paid to get in so will eat 2 dinners, salad, pie, desert, juice, pop and desert again and insured patients including Medicaid patients get test after test seeing specialist after specialist when if they had to pay at least a part of each procedure they may opt to wait or even not have. In Obama speak a deductable as you go if you will.

Right now, if you have insurance through any of the major carriers, THEY (the insurance companies) declares what tests they will cover for what medical conditions.

If you have health insurance now, you sure don't have a "smorgasbord" of choices that you and your doctor make for testing, treatment - you take what you are given by the insurance company, if you want your insurance company to pay for it.

Here's why we need insurance reform with consumer protections: your insurance company can drop you any time they want, for anything they want. Read your contracts. Welcome to reality.

It happened to me last year, after my insurance company pre-approved paying for hospitalization and an orthopedic procedure.

Five months later (it took them that long to delay paying the hospital and doctor, and to find something remote 25 years back in my medical history - which I had declared upfront when I got the policy -to cancel my policy upon) they retroactively cancelled my policy.

Well, I had a choice: they would not pay for the operation as they said they would, and as they signed off they would to the hospital and doctor (and I had to sign a waiver releasing them from their promise to pay) - and the second choice, the blackmail for not agreeing they wouldn't have to pay was complete retroactive cancellation of my policy from the date of inception years ago, and I would also have to pay them back for everything they had every paid out on me.

The above is legal and happens all the time. I currently have a lawyer discussing it with them. The Kentucky Insurance Commission cannot do anything to protect the consumer, as there is no law for this.

That is another thing "health care reform" will do - provide consumer protections from the above.

I'm furious at Bush for never doing anything about this (after Clinton couldn't get it done) - Bush said he would do something during his first campaign.

Now is the time. It needs to be done.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

2/3 from Medicare-Medicad inefficiency cutting, 1/3 from lowering
tax deductions on those that make over $250K per year from 36% to 28% (making that bracket deduction limits like the vast majority of other Americans)

This has already been shown to be far fetched. Why would a system that is patterned after medicare be more efficient especially when it will be a whole lot bigger?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This has already been shown to be far fetched. Why would a system that is patterned after medicare be more efficient especially when it will be a whole lot bigger?

Why would you think it would be a "whole lot" bigger?

Medicare currently has about 43 million people, Medicad has about 53 million, and people who are currently uninsured in the US are about 46 million, and it's estimated about 36 million of those uninsured people would be insured under a healthcare reform bill.

Of course, that doesn't count the Death Panel government officials taking over control (by armed goon squads) of the private health insurance of the other 290 million people in the country. They will do it by secretly sending death rays out from digital television converters to grannies over 70 years old. Tinfoil hats prevents that, you know.

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm done. .

you were done a long time ago and now are simply burned.

We will try and carry on for small businesses etc. If we had the we'd build a Politcal DT Memorial to you but we don't.

Take Care

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If we had the we'd build a Politcal DT Memorial to you but we don't.

Let's see:
You believe Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Cannon believes "death panels" are real.

Naw. Don't build a DT Political Memorial, you guys definitely need all your tin foil, don't waste it

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see:
You believe Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Cannon believes "death panels" are real.

Naw. Don't build a DT Political Memorial, you guys definitely need all your tin foil, don't waste it

How? No one has seen it except for the State official. BTW I know he was born in Hawaii but have a feeling there is something on there that may be misspeak?

Bye Again

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see:
You believe Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Cannon believes "death panels" are real.

Naw. Don't build a DT Political Memorial, you guys definitely need all your tin foil, don't waste it

......and you think the Emperor is wearing clothes!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Let's see:
You believe Obama's birth certificate is fake.
Cannon believes "death panels" are real.

Naw. Don't build a DT Political Memorial, you guys definitely need all your tin foil, don't waste it

Stay on the subject. I know you are clueless to what is happening and maybe we can help you understand what will happen. Here's one, go to the post office or DMV and pretend that it is now your healthcare provider. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy doesnt it?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Why would you think it would be a "whole lot" bigger?

Medicare currently has about 43 million people, Medicad has about 53 million, and people who are currently uninsured in the US are about 46 million, and it's estimated about 36 million of those uninsured people would be insured under a healthcare reform bill.

Of course, that doesn't count the Death Panel government officials taking over control (by armed goon squads) of the private health insurance of the other 290 million people in the country. They will do it by secretly sending death rays out from digital television converters to grannies over 70 years old. Tinfoil hats prevents that, you know.

I'm done. The paranoia is too scary.

Dont fret......Team Zero is gonna "bail out" on the whole mess pretty quick now!