Cash for Clunkers Success

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Don't have to they already know they're there. In fact they don't even hide it unlike ours.

I think 1940's Germany was the last non-Socialist country in your guy's mind.

You throw that word around and you don't even know what it really means

[GBBob]

And your biggest bitch session is over Health Care. Screw the Mom who has lost it because her Son died in the Bush family war, but let's beat the party that is trying to improve HEALTH CARE to death. You may not agree with how he is going about it and I don't 100% either, but at least someone is doing something about it, or at least trying. Republicans are the first to admit the system sucks, but their "man" didn't do jack sh+t. You just want every man, woman and child for them selves and the best man left standing wins. F+ck that...I'm so sick of the right whining and crying and moaning when they don't like something. Suck it up people. You survived the Clinton years and even now admit it wasn't so bad. We are all lucky to have survived the idiot years..well, except the countless who died in the war while Dubya' was being fitted for a bomber jacket and his minions were trying to figure out how many "s" in "Mission Accomplished".

Originally Posted by GBBob

And your biggest bitch session is over Health Care. Screw the Mom who has lost it because her Son died in the Bush family war, but let's beat the party that is trying to improve HEALTH CARE to death. You may not agree with how he is going about it and I don't 100% either, but at least someone is doing something about it, or at least trying. Republicans are the first to admit the system sucks, but their "man" didn't do jack sh+t. You just want every man, woman and child for them selves and the best man left standing wins. F+ck that...I'm so sick of the right whining and crying and moaning when they don't like something. Suck it up people. You survived the Clinton years and even now admit it wasn't so bad. We are all lucky to have survived the idiot years..well, except the countless who died in the war while Dubya' was being fitted for a bomber jacket and his minions were trying to figure out how many "s" in "Mission Accomplished".

You can't cry about war when Obama is ramping up efforts in the war where Dubya said Mission Accomplished.

It just seems...I don't know...hypocritical...especially when you bring up deaths of soldiers. Like somehow the war is justified cause there is a Democrat in office.

[GBBob]

[quote=Coach Pants]You can't cry about war when Obama is ramping up efforts in the war where Dubya said Mission Accomplished.

It just seems...I don't know...hypocritical...especially when you bring up deaths of soldiers. Like somehow the war is justified cause there is a Democrat in office.[/QUOTE

You may not agree with a lot of stuff I post, but I would never casually use "deaths of soldiers" that way. One person started a war, one person is trying to end it. Maybe not in the best way, but if he doesn't go into Afganahistan and there is a terrorist strike based there, then what? The dude can't win...and I'm surprised you can't see that.

[quote=GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You can't cry about war when Obama is ramping up efforts in the war where Dubya said Mission Accomplished.

It just seems...I don't know...hypocritical...especially when you bring up deaths of soldiers. Like somehow the war is justified cause there is a Democrat in office.[/QUOTE

You may not agree with a lot of stuff I post, but I would never casually use "deaths of soldiers" that way. One person started a war, one person is trying to end it. Maybe not in the best way, but if he doesn't go into Afganahistan and there is a terrorist strike based there, then what? The dude can't win...and I'm surprised you can't see that.

He couldn't win in the best of times. He's a buffoon just like Bush but with a better grade in Public Speaking 101.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=GBBob]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You can't cry about war when Obama is ramping up efforts in the war where Dubya said Mission Accomplished.

It just seems...I don't know...hypocritical...especially when you bring up deaths of soldiers. Like somehow the war is justified cause there is a Democrat in office.[/QUOTE

You may not agree with a lot of stuff I post, but I would never casually use "deaths of soldiers" that way. One person started a war, one person is trying to end it. Maybe not in the best way, but if he doesn't go into Afganahistan and there is a terrorist strike based there, then what? The dude can't win...and I'm surprised you can't see that.

It is a stretch to link the war and healthcare. The problem with Obamas program is that even though we all admit our current system is flawed, his program will be much worse. The fact remains that #1 this is not the right time to try to do something like this (unless you admit politically that this is the only time that it has a prayer of getting through, which it doesnt) and #2 it is a really bad plan with a lot of unanswered questions. The fact that there is discord should be the signal to come to the table with the opposition party and attempt to put something together in a bi-partisan manner (you know how he said he was going to operate?). However he continues to campaign in staged sessions that no doubt will lead to further divides. This program is not only going to be a drain on the economy, it will lower healthcare standards and care in our country overall, put the govt in places it shouldnt be and further injure small business with its ridiclous taxes. The fact is that this program should be despised by the very people Obama loves to claim he support, the "middle class". They are the ones that will suffer as the rich will still pay privately for their own care after the insurance companies are all gone but the suckers in the middle will have to turn to this govt run future disaster. The poor will still be poor but they sure will be able to visit the doctor when their back is sore from sleeping on the street.

[GBBob]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It is a stretch to link the war and healthcare. The problem with Obamas program is that even though we all admit our current system is flawed, his program will be much worse. The fact remains that #1 this is not the right time to try to do something like this (unless you admit politically that this is the only time that it has a prayer of getting through, which it doesnt) and #2 it is a really bad plan with a lot of unanswered questions. The fact that there is discord should be the signal to come to the table with the opposition party and attempt to put something together in a bi-partisan manner (you know how he said he was going to operate?). However he continues to campaign in staged sessions that no doubt will lead to further divides. This program is not only going to be a drain on the economy, it will lower healthcare standards and care in our country overall, put the govt in places it shouldnt be and further injure small business with its ridiclous taxes. The fact is that this program should be despised by the very people Obama loves to claim he support, the "middle class". They are the ones that will suffer as the rich will still pay privately for their own care after the insurance companies are all gone but the suckers in the middle will have to turn to this govt run future disaster. The poor will still be poor but they sure will be able to visit the doctor when their back is sore from sleeping on the street.

Why is it a stretch to link the two? Each administration has/had their "signature" agendas. One was to go to war in Iraq, the other's is to improve Health Care. Even at each's worse, which has no upside, or, less of a downside?

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why is it a stretch to link the two? Each administration has/had their "signature" agendas. One was to go to war in Iraq, the other's is to improve Health Care. Even at each's worse, which has no upside, or, less of a downside?

Au contraire. The goal isnt to improve healthcare, it is to control healthcare. A big difference.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=GBBob]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Why is it a stretch to link the two? Each administration has/had their "signature" agendas. One was to go to war in Iraq, the other's is to improve Health Care. Even at each's worse, which has no upside, or, less of a downside?

And the truth is that the health care plan currently suggested will cause a whole lot more pain and suffering to undeserving Americans than the war has. The downside to the healthcare plan is a massive intrusion into the lives of private citizens by the govt brought to you by people that went ape shi t when Bush tapped phones of suspected terrorists because it was such an imposition on our rights. We have won and lost wars before. This changes the country in a completely negative way. If they wanted to improve healthcare it would be pretty simple. Write laws without healthcare lobbists present, provide the insurance companies subsidies to cover more working citizens, kick start the economy to allow business to create more jobs with real stimlus and enforce the laws. People who are poor already receive medical care on our dime anyway in the form on increased premiums and costs.

Stop getting mad at us and think about what is being proposed. Just because you are a BHL doesnt mean you have to agree with everything this guy does especially when much of it would be fiercely opposed by you if the other side was proposing it.

[Riot]

[quote=Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It is a stretch to link the war and healthcare. The problem with Obamas program is that even though we all admit our current system is flawed, his program will be much worse. The fact remains that #1 this is not the right time to try to do something like this (unless you admit politically that this is the only time that it has a prayer of getting through, which it doesnt) and #2 it is a really bad plan with a lot of unanswered questions. The fact that there is discord should be the signal to come to the table with the opposition party and attempt to put something together in a bi-partisan manner (you know how he said he was going to operate?). However he continues to campaign in staged sessions that no doubt will lead to further divides. This program is not only going to be a drain on the economy, it will lower healthcare standards and care in our country overall, put the govt in places it shouldnt be and further injure small business with its ridiclous taxes. The fact is that this program should be despised by the very people Obama loves to claim he support, the "middle class". They are the ones that will suffer as the rich will still pay privately for their own care after the insurance companies are all gone but the suckers in the middle will have to turn to this govt run future disaster. The poor will still be poor but they sure will be able to visit the doctor when their back is sore from sleeping on the street.

Or:

The current program is flawed, and Obama's plan (actually "he" doesn't have a plan, the House and the Senate are making up the plans, which is the source of much of the problem) - will make everything much better.

The House plans and Senate plan will be merged in Committee. That's "bipartisanship".

You'll notice that Obama wanted bipartisanship in working out the plans from the start, and the GOP pretty much came up with "don't do anything!" and "death panels". Thanks, guys, great input!

There has been inaction on health care for decades - now is the time to finally get something done.

The program not only will not be a drain on our economy, it will raise healthcare standards and care in our country overall. Small business will benefit with a reduction of monies they must spend on healthcare, or enable them to provide healthcare if they do not now.

The middle class will have ever greater options, and greater coverage, at lower cost.

[Danzig]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or:

The current program is flawed, and Obama's plan (actually "he" doesn't have a plan, the House and the Senate are making up the plans, which is the source of much of the problem) - will make everything much better.

The House plans and Senate plan will be merged in Committee. That's "bipartisanship".

You'll notice that Obama wanted bipartisanship in working out the plans from the start, and the GOP pretty much came up with "don't do anything!" and "death panels". Thanks, guys, great input!

There has been inaction on health care for decades - now is the time to finally get something done.

The program not only will not be a drain on our economy, it will raise healthcare standards and care in our country overall. Small business will benefit with a reduction of monies they must spend on healthcare, or enable them to provide healthcare if they do not now.

The middle class will have ever greater options, and greater coverage, at lower cost.

lol
perhaps it's you that should read the details-or are you just not bothering to read what the CBO has put out?

as for inaction, presidents beginning with teddy roosevelt have attempted to do something. problem is, the issues are more wide-ranging then just providing health care-it's that our fed is trying to be everything to everyone, and we don't have the money.

[Cannon Shell]

[quote=Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Or:

The current program is flawed, and Obama's plan (actually "he" doesn't have a plan, the House and the Senate are making up the plans, which is the source of much of the problem) - will make everything much better.

The House plans and Senate plan will be merged in Committee. That's "bipartisanship".

You'll notice that Obama wanted bipartisanship in working out the plans from the start, and the GOP pretty much came up with "don't do anything!" and "death panels". Thanks, guys, great input!

There has been inaction on health care for decades - now is the time to finally get something done.

The program not only will not be a drain on our economy, it will raise healthcare standards and care in our country overall. Small business will benefit with a reduction of monies they must spend on healthcare, or enable them to provide healthcare if they do not now.

The middle class will have ever greater options, and greater coverage, at lower cost.

Do you work in the white house now?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by GBBob

.. if he doesn't go into Afghanistan and there is a terrorist strike based there, then what? The dude can't win...and I'm surprised you can't see that.

It's like fighting vermin. You get rid of them by paying money. You think you have separation, but eventually they will come back n' do damage again. You pay money again, but you can't really ever win. Mainly, because they just will make more. This is Islam. A quarter of the world's population giving the other three quarters nothing but endless trouble.

[Cannon Shell]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...072865070.html
A whole buch of Liberals are now boycotting Whole foods because this guy had the audacity to give his opinion which includes several great points and shows how he is doing a good job of taking care of his own employees health care. Just in case you thought that the left actually cared about the well being of people and not this twisted version of nirvanna that they are seeking. Of course when the other side doesnt agree with something they are labeled "unamerican". Maybe that strict fundementlist GOP member Riot can enlighten us as to why people would feel the need to boycott a place that does a great job of providing healthcare for its employees? If you arent a trial lawyer, member of Acorn or an insurance company exec why would his plan sound bad?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...072865070.html
A whole buch of Liberals are now boycotting Whole foods because this guy had the audacity to give his opinion which includes several great points and shows how he is doing a good job of taking care of his own employees health care. Just in case you thought that the left actually cared about the well being of people and not this twisted version of nirvanna that they are seeking. Of course when the other side doesnt agree with something they are labeled "unamerican". Maybe that strict fundementlist GOP member Riot can enlighten us as to why people would feel the need to boycott a place that does a great job of providing healthcare for its employees? If you arent a trial lawyer, member of Acorn or an insurance company exec why would his plan sound bad?

i read his article, and thought he had some genuinely good ideas-certainly better than some i've seen bandied about. ahhh....but suggesting people might have to take some of the onus on themselves for why they have some of their illnesses-no wonder the liberal mind is upset. after all, lately this country has become the land of 'it's not MY fault'. his tort reform idea won't fly either, the lawyers that make up the vast majority of our legislatures would never go for that.

i agree with what he said, that there needs to be an overhaul-but at what expense? we can't afford what is currently in the works.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...072865070.html
A whole buch of Liberals are now boycotting Whole foods because this guy had the audacity to give his opinion which includes several great points and shows how he is doing a good job of taking care of his own employees health care. Just in case you thought that the left actually cared about the well being of people and not this twisted version of nirvanna that they are seeking. Of course when the other side doesnt agree with something they are labeled "unamerican". Maybe that strict fundementlist GOP member Riot can enlighten us as to why people would feel the need to boycott a place that does a great job of providing healthcare for its employees? If you arent a trial lawyer, member of Acorn or an insurance company exec why would his plan sound bad?

No, sorry. I personally wouldn't boycott Whole Foods, because Mackey the far right-right-right Libertarian isn't the owner. It's a publically-owned company, I thought.

But if other consumers want to boycott due to the CEO's political opinions, that's certainly their choice.

People act on their conscience. Glenn Beck calls Obama a racist on TV, and Progessive Insurance, Geico, Proctor and Gamble, Lawyers.com pulled their advertisements from association with his show. Followed shortly by Healthy Choice, Radio Shack, Roche and Sanofi-Aventis.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

And your biggest bitch session is over Health Care. Screw the Mom who has lost it because her Son died in the Bush family war,.

No one has said that and I'm not sure how a death of a GI son affects the mother's insurance? But by changing everything just to change, and this isn't junk cars, is crazy. OB's plan will pool a good chunk money going now into Medicaid to some general fund for everyone. Of course the elderly are concerned and to call them Rep pawns or shills was a really bad idea.

Then OB claims AARP supports his plan and because of that surely the elderly aren't afraid of losing health care. AARP comes out and says they haven't given support and it's chalked up as misspeak.

He uses the Post Office vs. UPS vs. FedEx seemingly believing people somehow prefer the Post Office?

Today it's the insurance companies' fault....

Bush's detractors certainly were heard and seen during the last 8 years so doesn't the other side have the same right? You can want us to suck it up all you want, just don't hold your breath, as we're a pretty stubborn bunch.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No one has said that and I'm not sure how a death of a GI son affects the mother's insurance? But by changing everything just to change, and this isn't junk cars, is crazy. OB's plan will pool a good chunk money going now into Medicaid to some general fund for everyone. Of course the elderly are concerned and to call them Rep pawns or shills was a really bad idea.

Then OB claims AARP supports his plan and because of that surely the elderly aren't afraid of losing health care. AARP comes out and says they haven't given support and it's chalked up as misspeak.

He uses the Post Office vs. UPS vs. FedEx seemingly believing people somehow prefer the Post Office?

Today it's the insurance companies' fault....

Bush's detractors certainly were heard and seen during the last 8 years so doesn't the other side have the same right? You can want us to suck it up all you want, just don't hold your breath, as we're a pretty stubborn bunch.

Bush's detractors picked and chose their spots. The hatred from the Right has even Republican's scared.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Bush's detractors picked and chose their spots. The hatred from the Right has even Republican's scared.

Like him having remotely flown airplanes into the World Trade Center or somehow attacking New Orleans with a hurricane?

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Like him having remotely flown airplanes into the World Trade Center or somehow attacking New Orleans with a hurricane?

Give me a break Dell...Everyone knows he was too busy faking the Moon landing to have done that