Mattress Mack - 2 milly for Rachel/Zenyatta...AT SAM HOUSTON!!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

agree freddy, the alabama to me would be much more of a gaol as an owner.

How did Shirreff's last really good filly ship into Saratoga?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

How did Shirreff's last really good filly ship into Saratoga?

Manistique got KILLED all three times she left Southern California .. once at Saratoga, once at Oaklawn, and once at Gulfstream.

She was 12-11-1-0 with 9 Graded Stakes wins in Southern California. As well as an 11 length MSW with a 110 Beyer figure in her debut - and a 10 length allowance 2nd time out.


Just because Manistique was awesome in Southern Cal and a big huge monster looking dog biscuit outside of Southern Cal .. doesn't mean that Zenyatta has to be as well. In fact, Zenyatta already proved she can ship when she won the Apple Blossom .. albeit in slower fashion than Tiago on that card.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Manistique got KILLED all three times she left Southern California .. once at Saratoga, once at Oaklawn, and once at Gulfstream.

She was 12-11-1-0 with 9 Graded Stakes wins in Southern California. As well as an 11 length MSW with a 110 Beyer figure in her debut - and a 10 length allowance 2nd time out.


Just because Manistique was awesome in Southern Cal and a big huge monster looking dog biscuit outside of Southern Cal .. doesn't mean that Zenyatta has to be as well. In fact, Zenyatta already proved she can ship when she won the Apple Blossom .. albeit in slower fashion than Tiago on that card.

Socal horses cant win on the road, you know that.

[Smooth Operator]

Any decent mares at Toga?

RA might be vulnerable at that 10f distance. Little Birdie was coming at her at the end of the 9.5f Preakness ... and the old man (d’Oro) was better going nine panels.



Would love to see some old goat get to her in the Ensign...

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Smooth Operator

Any decent mares at Toga?

Maybe Anabaa's Creation, Dawn After Dawn or Briecat could come by?

NT

[The Indomitable DrugS]

That's a fearsome trio right there.

[slotdirt]

Hollywood Story went on a veritable world tour when compared to Zenyatta's career. Not particularly relevant other than that was another Sheriffs stakes-winning mare that traveled outside of SoCal at least a few times.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Socal horses cant win on the road, you know that.

For every Manistique, Lava Man, Rock Hard Ten ... there is one who actually moved up quite a bit coming East.

As far as sprinters go - for a long time it was the rule they'd move up rather than the exception. As far as turf horses go, it was more the exception than the rule.

Now that they have synthetic tracks out there ... you get the horses who come off of them and run one .. occasionally two ridiculious huge races on dirt .. and all of a sudden the "synthetic bounce" seems to ruin them. Or so Jerry Brown says.

Springside, Tough Tiz's Sis, Well Armed, Black Seventeen, I Want Revenge, etc.

And no, Pioneer Ofthe Nile doesn't qualify .. his 2nd in the Derby was hardly a big effort .. but he did call it a career after his next one.