Mattress Mack - 2 milly for Rachel/Zenyatta...AT SAM HOUSTON!!

[Danzig]

i doubt that zenyatta will go anywhere to face rachel. there's no need for them to ship. there's plenty to win in cali. they won't enter her in an open race, as they don't wish to take on males. they probably don't want to enter a weight for age, and concede any perceived advantage to rachel in that respect.

if the main things the mosses want is to race zenyatta, enjoy her racing, and try to retire her undefeated, then there is no reason at all for them to do anything other than what they've been doing. if they absolutely want HOY, then they cannot. so, it all boils down to what is most important for them. i don't have any issue with them if they choose to keep zenyatta in california, just like i have no issue with jackson not taking rachel to the bc.

[freddymo]

From what insiders are saying the Clark is a very real possiblity.

[Bobby Fischer]

lol Jess Jackson should have front men offering $2 Million match races at b-level tracks every few days or so, now that Moss has decided to be conservative.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

lol Jess Jackson should have front men offering $2 Million match races at b-level tracks every few days or so, now that Moss has decided to be conservative.

jackson is no dummy; unless calvin was unseated at the start or the gate didn't open, rachel would win a match race. it would be far from a definitive win tho, much like most match races.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

From what insiders are saying the Clark is a very real possiblity.

if it is two weeks after the BC as someone stated I dont see how thats possible, but yea that would be fun to see.

[dellinger63]

$10 million side bet for each owner? Winner take all loser wears a dunce cap!

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

if it is two weeks after the BC as someone stated I dont see how thats possible, but yea that would be fun to see.

It's actually 20 days after but that's still likely to be too close.

NT

[Cannon Shell]

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

That would be a perfect race for Zenyatta. It's G1, so it would add to Zenyatta's case for HOY. It serves as a prep for the BC. And it would allow her to settle the RA vs Zenyatta question in a field of horses, rather than a match race.

[letswastemoney]

But I realize Zenyatta probably isn't even nominated

[boswd]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

That would be a perfect race for Zenyatta. It's G1, so it would add to Zenyatta's case for HOY. It serves as a prep for the BC. And it would allow her to settle the RA vs Zenyatta question in a field of horses, rather than a match race.

You would think Shirriffs copt out is he doesn't like the detention barns they have in NY. He's a joke, he really is.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

is that your opinion, or you've heard that's what they decided? i read yesterday they'd nominated her to five races, but hadn't chosen one yet.


as for zenyatta, shireffs said 'why ship...' when someone asked him. he said it would be silly at this point in the year with the bc coming up soon.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

is that your opinion, or you've heard that's what they decided? i read yesterday they'd nominated her to five races, but hadn't chosen one yet.


as for zenyatta, shireffs said 'why ship...' when someone asked him. he said it would be silly at this point in the year with the bc coming up soon.

not my opinion

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for zenyatta, shireffs said 'why ship...' when someone asked him. he said it would be silly at this point in the year with the bc coming up soon.

Except that up until the day of the Mother Goose he was planning on shipping Zenyatta out to take on Rachel. Then suddenly the "Giacomo hates the detention barn" excuse came out after Rachel romped in 1:46 and change.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

agree freddy, the alabama to me would be much more of a gaol as an owner.

How did Shirreff's last really good filly ship into Saratoga?

[boswd]

Originally Posted by freddymo

If you are going to go 10f's why not the Alabama the week before.Plus there is that all important extra 200k in purse money. Perhaps its the extra week, maybe they want to add older mares to the resume or maybe the race sets her for the Beldame better? What's the difference at this point. If Zenyatta was in the race she would still be 3/5.

Sherriffs took a supstar mare out of Ca. once. I really think that is a shame.

I wouldn't criticize that move at all. RA just won a very big race, The Alabama would allow her to stretch out to 1 1/4 without any threats, She grabs a very Prestigous Race in what would be a $450,000 public workout.

They would then know where she stands at a 1 1/4 and look forward to the Beldame or the Jockey Club Gold Cup.

Personally I want to see her in The Travers but if they went to the Alabama, that actually would be not a bad decision.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

RA is going to run next in the Personal Ensign.

What possible reason is there to run there instead of the Woodward? The top two finishers in the Whitney have said they will skip the race if she runs. The third place finisher has already retired. The only other interesting horse is going to the Woodbine Mile. If Rachel went in the Woodward it could wind up a match race with Dry Martini. Winning the Personal Ensign would do nothing, would be a longer distance, and could even be a tougher race. It would make no sense.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What possible reason is there to run there instead of the Woodward? The top two finishers in the Whitney have said they will skip the race if she runs. The third place finisher has already retired. The only other interesting horse is going to the Woodbine Mile. If Rachel went in the Woodward it could wind up a match race with Dry Martini. Winning the Personal Ensign would do nothing, would be a longer distance, and could even be a tougher race. It would make no sense.

That is where they (JJ) wants to run.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What possible reason is there to run there instead of the Woodward? The top two finishers in the Whitney have said they will skip the race if she runs. The third place finisher has already retired. The only other interesting horse is going to the Woodbine Mile. If Rachel went in the Woodward it could wind up a match race with Dry Martini. Winning the Personal Ensign would do nothing, would be a longer distance, and could even be a tougher race. It would make no sense.

If It's a Bird comes for the Woodward (as reported in DRF), and it's the good It's a Bird, he could make things a bit interesting on the front end.