Zenyetta vs Racheal

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

From what I understand the owners of the horse are to the point of not wanting to do anything different with their horse, the endless questions and seemingly condemnation over how they are handling their business is creating almost a desire to just let it play out, a kind of it is what it is deal.

If it's their prerogative to go the route of Lady's Secret-Ladies' Classic and done for her career that's fine, they just better not b.itch when she doesn't win HOTY.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If it's their prerogative to go the route of Lady's Secret-Ladies' Classic and done for her career that's fine, they just better not b.itch when she doesn't win HOTY.

NT

The complaining is not really coming from them, if you could quote something that shows that I would be interested in reading it.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

The complaining is not really coming from them, if you could quote something that shows that I would be interested in reading it.

You didn't read anything last year after the BC when they wanted HOTY over Curlin?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...-the-Year.aspx

"It's quite an accomplishment to go all year undefeated, and to step up each time, four of them in Grade 1, like she did," Shirreffs said of the 4-year-old filly, unbeaten in nine starts, seven of them this year. "In the vote, she would have to be seriously considered for that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...rse&id=3665557

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

You didn't read anything last year after the BC when they wanted HOTY over Curlin?

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/rac...-the-Year.aspx

"It's quite an accomplishment to go all year undefeated, and to step up each time, four of them in Grade 1, like she did," Shirreffs said of the 4-year-old filly, unbeaten in nine starts, seven of them this year. "In the vote, she would have to be seriously considered for that."

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?...rse&id=3665557

NT

thats not a complaint, give me a break.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

thats not a complaint, give me a break.

Did you read that all I said was that they better not b.itch if they keep her on the same ridiculous schedule and don't win HOTY? That's a comment that can be made whether they've complained in the past or not.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Did you read that all I said was that they better not b.itch if they keep her on the same ridiculous schedule and don't win HOTY? That's a comment that can be made whether they've complained in the past or not.

NT

are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

[Danzig]

like haskin said, not winning HOY did nothing to tarnish personal ensigns legacy-everyone knows she was a champ, and a perfect one at that.


as for rachel and the travers, i doubt QR, or any 3 yo for that matter, would be a compelling reason for the filly not to run. now, winning the woodward over older, and being the first filly EVER to win it-that would be yet another feather in rachels cap. if jackson thinks he has a shot to win both, he'll give it a try. anyone saying he's running scared with the best 3 yo in training is dreaming and has no concept of reality.

would love to see zenyatta in the pac classic. but i think they'd rather she stay unbeaten-i'd imagine they don't feel terribly confident after her narrow win on sunday as far as taking her out of her comfort zone. and that isn't a knock on her AT ALL.

[Left Bank]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

I don't think they are tired of it at all.Wednesday DRF,Shirreffs says"If they are going to decide HOTY,I would hope it would be settled at the Breeders cup.If it isn't,and we think we have the opportunity to win it,then we'll have to go travel after the breeders cup". DRF wed.aug 12,2009,page 3.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

What will happen if she gets beat? Will her stud value go down

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

are you missing what i am saying....they are really past caring anymore, its gotten old to them. they will be happy with retiring unbeaten if they can get there with two BC championships and two eclipse's.

well, that is what they say because they are probably pretty sure they would lose to RA on dirt. There is nothing wrong with the consolation prizes they seek, but she'll always retire with that black mark against her in my opinion.

Now, if Rachel isn't entered in races Zenyatta can enter, that is a different story. The BC should not be the be all and end all, and clearly the connections of Rachel Alexandra have mapped out a much more ambitious and demanding year with or without a BC.

Besides, Zenyatta won't win the classic anyway.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

If it's their prerogative to go the route of Lady's Secret-Ladies' Classic and done for her career that's fine, they just better not b.itch when she doesn't win HOTY.

NT

Of course they can do that, and I agree, no way is she horse of the year even with a BC Classic win. Of course, that isn't even supposed to be on the schedule on this less than ambitious campaign.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Of course they can do that, and I agree, no way is she horse of the year even with a BC Classic win. Of course, that isn't even supposed to be on the schedule on this less than ambitious campaign.

its not, trust me

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

its not, trust me

And that is the whole thing that stirs people up. How can you have a horse this good and not be ambitious? What does beating up on the same SoCal horses, then running in the Distaff again prove? It isn't like they need the money, or it will improve her value.

I understand some people are upset Jackson doesn't want to run on synthetics, but if we are handing out blame for these two not meeting, a lot more is going to the Zenyatta camp in my opinion. This would be like Michael Jordan being content to play in the CBA.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

And that is the whole thing that stirs people up. How can you have a horse this good and not be ambitious? What does beating up on the same SoCal horses, then running in the Distaff again prove? It isn't like they need the money, or it will improve her value.

I understand some people are upset Jackson doesn't want to run on synthetics, but if we are handing out blame for these two not meeting, a lot more is going to the Zenyatta camp in my opinion. This would be like Michael Jordan being content to play in the CBA.

preaching to the choir.

Jackson is not getting any blame really for not running and they are getting bombarded every day about this and I guess have grown tired of it, to the point of screw it, if she aint going to run in racings championship day than we are not going to do anything different as well.

That could change but its pretty much in agreement in the media and here, as you have stated already, the only way to win a HOY is to beat RA so might as well run in the easiest races till after the breeders cup, right?