Absolutely Horrendous DQ at belmont

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I had the opposite. Smart N Pretty on top paid pretty well as an exacta, maybe $100? Anyway, she was so clearly the best that day and it was so clearly obvious that both horses were leaning on eachother, there was no way she should have come down.

I feel oracle's pain.

What they did to Smart n Pretty that day was a crime.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

What they did to Smart n Pretty that day was a crime.

A/J,

They were doing it to Norberto Arroyo as much as Smart N Pretty too... I said on the show live after the race that had riders been reversed.. Arroyo on Regal and Ramon on SNP.. they'd NEVER have taken Dominguez down...

It was disgusting... IMO..

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A/J,

They were doing it to Norberto Arroyo as much as Smart N Pretty too... I said on the show live after the race that had riders been reversed.. Arroyo on Regal and Ramon on SNP.. they'd NEVER have taken Dominguez down...

It was disgusting... IMO..

I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. I think I was the only person in the entire grandstand at Pimlico that day who was bitter about that takedown. I thought for sure they'd take down Wanderin Boy in the Special because he basically did the same thing, but they didn't.

Totally agree that if the riders were reversed, results would have been the same. Embarassing that happened in the premier race for fillies in the state of Maryland.

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. I think I was the only person in the entire grandstand at Pimlico that day who was bitter about that takedown. I thought for sure they'd take down Wanderin Boy in the Special because he basically did the same thing, but they didn't.

Totally agree that if the riders were reversed, results would have been the same. Embarassing that happened in the premier race for fillies in the state of Maryland.

If you wanna see some real head scratchers just watch head on replays at NYRA tracks each day at start of the race. You have guys hanging hard left turns or even right ones(if the horses to the outside could be pace duelers) and taking horses right out of contention at the break.
Its obvious that the riders know that noone is going to do anything about it and are exploiting it. A few have perfected the tactic of "hunt and seek" targeting of other speed horses if they are on a speed horse as well. They come right over and take a horse out, noone ever says a thing, never.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by Kasept

A/J,

They were doing it to Norberto Arroyo as much as Smart N Pretty too... I said on the show live after the race that had riders been reversed.. Arroyo on Regal and Ramon on SNP.. they'd NEVER have taken Dominguez down...

It was disgusting... IMO..

Oh no doubt, reverse riders and no change would have been made. It would be a cold day in hell before Dominguez comes down on a non-incident like that at Pimlico.

[The Bid]

Arroyo is one of the most aggressive, dangerous, and careless riders in the game. At any point in his races, unless hes on the front end, you can make a case for him to come down.

[Gander]

The fact is that Jimmy The K carried Speedjama out much more than the horse in the 6th ever did.

[blackthroatedwind]

Once again, I agree with the call, just not their lack of consistancy. The only reason the outside horse made contact was because he held his ground and was bumped as the inside horse was coming out.

I don't give a **** who is complaining....I think anyone that thinks this DQ was incorrect is wrong ( and most likely biased ). But, if they left the third winner up, a number they didn't even blink, I think this one should have stayed as well. However, I believe the third winner should have come down.

I'm not particularly defending the stewards, as I am often in disagreement with them, but I believe in this particular instance the correct call was made. Remember, the horse held on by a nose and initiated contact.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Once again, I agree with the call, just not their lack of consistancy. The only reason the outside horse made contact was because he held his ground and was bumped as the inside horse was coming out.

I don't give a **** who is complaining....I think anyone that thinks this DQ was incorrect is wrong ( and most likely biased ). But, if they left the third winner up, a number they didn't even blink, I think this one should have stayed as well. However, I believe the third winner should have come down.

I'm not particularly defending the stewards, as I am often in disagreement with them, but I believe in this particular instance the correct call was made. Remember, the horse held on by a nose and initiated contact.

I was just about to rant about the third winner and use it as a basis but you beat me to it. I didn't watch the third race but yet another irate friend called and told me about it so I watched the replay.
I feel that one should have been a non call as well but Speedjama was clearly carried out much worse than the horse who was put up in the 6th race. The fact that the horses in the 6th race were in closer quarters should not matter. The fact is that Jimmy The K carried Speedjama out much more than the horse in the 6th ever did.
Now can anyone explain to me how one horse stays up and the other comes down because quite frankly I'm at a total loss.

[blackthroatedwind]

I agree with your last statement. There is no consistancy. The stewards, I think incorrectly, actually believe that when one horse bears out and the one outside drifts as well that they are both drifting. They foolishly don't understand that horses are herd animals and clearly the outside horse is drifting in response to the inside horse. I give credit to the rider of the 15 in the 6th, because he understood this, and smartly steered his horse to hold it's ground, and therefore recieived the contact that these stewards so desperately seem to need. Had he just allowed the other horse to carry his out without contact there would have been no DQ ( much like the 3rd race ).

However, since I strongly believe the horse in the third should have come down, I also believe the 6th winner was justly Dq'd. And, I did not bet either race.

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I agree with your last statement. There is no consistancy. The stewards, I think incorrectly, actually believe that when one horse bears out and the one outside drifts as well that they are both drifting. They foolishly don't understand that horses are herd animals and clearly the outside horse is drifting in response to the inside horse. I give credit to the rider of the 15 in the 6th, because he understood this, and smartly steered his horse to hold it's ground, and therefore recieived the contact that these stewards so desperately seem to need. Had he just allowed the other horse to carry his out without contact there would have been no DQ ( much like the 3rd race ).

However, since I strongly believe the horse in the third should have come down, I also believe the 6th winner was justly Dq'd. And, I did not bet either race.

Ok We just differ on both races. I think both should have stayed and after hearing my friends rant about the third race and watching it I told him I felt it was a non call because the other horse was getting away from the place horse anyway.
But yeah I hear you on the stewards. Its incredulous to me when I hear some nitwit watching a head on and saying "look, they both drifted out" as if the outside horse just coinincidentally started to drift after the other one did.
The lack of consistency is alarming and they seem to have different rules for different races and riders. They also let way too much go out of the gate, which is just plain wrong. Incidental gate contact is going to happen in just about every race but its become obvious that certain smart riders have come to realize that the stewards are gonna let gate contact go and come out and saw off the guys next to them, eliminating them from early pace contention. Since the same guys seem to do this in races, I highly doubt its just "one of those things".

Of course nothing will ever match the 1986 DQ of Allemeuse in the 2nd race on the Whitney Day where Lady's Secret beat the boys. I will never forget that one as long as I live, and may have angered the DQ Gods by cashing in on the huge exacta that the DQ triggered.
Does anyone here remember that dq?
It was one of the strangest days in racing history.
Day started out sunny and warm.
2nd race was the Allemeuse DQ.
About the 3rd or 4th race a horse named Royal Pennant won a sprint race when the rain had started to fall and it had gotten dark.
Later on in the slop a two year old named Cryptoclearance drew off by many lengths to break his maiden.
Lady's Secret beat the boys in the Whitney.

This all happened in one day up here in 1986. Does anyone else remember that day?

[PSH]

Oracle:

Don't remember that day, but interesting that Cryptoclearance excels as a sire on off tracks.....

I do recall being there years ago on Travers Day when it was dark, cold and i believe General Assembly? won the Travers in a very fast time by the length of the stretch... I could have used a winter coat that day...

Mike, any horses left at Saratoga training or are they all long gone? Is it true that the track stays open until about November???

Take care,

Paul

[The Bid]

The DQ of Nicoles Dream down at Mountaineer a few weeks ago was pretty bad, if not downright horrible. I think the DQ at Belmont today was tough, not as bad as Nicoles Dream, but bad enough

[Siena 16]

The Smart and Pretty Dq caused me to have Angina for a month. Norberto Arroyo's reputation didn't help us. The bad Karma from that Dq stayed with me for a month. This is the toughest thing you can do in life. And believe me I'm talking from experience

[post2post]

i never bet arroyo..even if i like the horse...i skip the race..some cappers don't believe in this strategy....but their are some jocky's like smith that just don't have the ice in their veins to be out there. jmho

[The Bid]

Mike smith cannot come out of his home if the sun is out. He is scared of his own shadow