I Have a question (to the NYRA faithful)

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I can't believe we're making a real comparison to Woodbine, who cards multiple 5-6 horse races on a daily basis. Look at the opening six races on Saturday at Woodbine...wow.

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

Oh, I don't resist playing other tracks at all. In fact, I'll be at the local simulcast pitching away at Arlington this week and I think there's a mule I've been waiting for at Santa Rosa. What I don't get is the complaints about NYRA racing that are mostly flimsy.

NT

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

Handicapping races should be a five minute thing? There's you're problem. You dont want to put the time into being a successful bettor.

What I dont seem to get is you blab about hitting 15-1 shots routinely....but then say you like to play 5-6 horse fields? Newsflash.....15-1 shots rarely win 6 horse fields.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

another "copy/paste/print/holepunch/binder" post for TFM

[2MinsToPost]

All I know is I drove 11 hours one way to take in some Saratoga. This past Weds I decided at the spur of the moment to pack my bags and drive up. Thursday afternoon around 2pm I arrived and settled in for the rest of the day at the track. Tired and spent, I got a great meal and a good nights rest. Friday (yesterday) I was at the track all day and in Horse Players heaven. I was not the least bit concerned about the cards either day. Just got home about an hour ago after a stop at Presque Isle Downs on the way home.

Was I upset they had some Maiden Claiming races? I'll answer it this way.
I will be making another trip to Saratoga before this meet is up. Flying or driving.

[fpsoxfan]

Just the Fatman being a blowhard again.
I've seen better Whitney cards, but it was still
a fun and challenging one. My friends and I had
a great time and we all made $. Not to mention the
fact there was 39,500 people there.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

Oh my! This has to be considered for post of the year.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by fpsoxfan

Oh my! This has to be considered for post of the year.

Thank you very much.

[Travis Stone]

What you determine to be value in any given horse race is just that - value. It doesn't matter if it's a match race or a 20 horse Kentucky Derby. 5/1 pays the same in a four horse race as it does in the 20 horse Ky. Derby. Of course, exotics are where the larger fields are helpful, provided that's what you like to play.

[the_fat_man]

I played 4 races at SMALL FIELD WO, yesterday. These were all my plays for the day.

3 exactas, 2 of which were ONE numbers and 1 win bet

I hit a $13 exacta in a 4 horse field, a $16 exacta in a 5 horse field and a $28 exacta (2 horse box) in a 9 horse field. I also ran 3rd with a 29:1 shot that I'd bet to win.

Now, as my objective in this game is to win consistently and NOT go for the (forced) BIG SCORE, why am I worried about any of this ****? I have the skill set to be able to pick out advantageous plays at 6 or 7 tracks a day and I know that if I wait, rather than force the action, I'll hit some big numbers. But I can't be throwing money away while I wait for these scores. My ROI when I'm 'selective' is through the roof. And by 'selective', I mean up to 10 plays a day.

I realize the normal way to play is here EXOTICS. And, I also realize that there's some sort of MACHO thing about forcing one's way through difficult races. I choose not to play that way. I don't play 35 numbers to get back 5:1. I play single units each race and I split these for mostly 2 combination exotic plays (very rarely will I box 3 horses).

(Most of ) the races are SAR are VERY HARD. Why would someone playing limited combos feel the need to play these races? Moreover, the odds there are just not competitive with what I get at the other tracks I play. This can debated all we want but, as I play multiple tracks, it's been shown to be the case.

As for the SAR ambiance/experience: been there done that. Going to ANY track at this point in my life is like starting to frequent DISCOS again.


To each his own: I'm offer a contrarian view, as it certainly can't be the case that EVERYONE here is winning doing the same thing.