I Have a question (to the NYRA faithful)

[stonegossard]

I couldn't leave you hanging. Wanted you to have at least one response in this lonely thread.

So here's my response............................














Stick to betting 3rd rate tracks like Woodbine and quit your constant whining. Change your diaper, get a new bib, buy a few new rattles for yourself..........do whatever needs to be done. Just quit crying already.

I think you need a "time out".

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I couldn't leave you hanging. Wanted you to have at least one response in this lonely thread.

So here's my response............................














Stick to betting 3rd rate tracks like Woodbine and quit your constant whining. Change your diaper, get a new bib, buy a few new rattles for yourself..........do whatever needs to be done. Just quit crying already.

I think you need a "time out".

Saratoga is supposed to be the most prestigous meet in the USA. I think TFM has a point here. The real pathetic card is FRIDAYS. It is easily the worst card I have ever saw at Saratoga. I go both ways on this, I wont complain like some people I will just play other tracks, but that does not mean TFM is wrong.... Thursday's card was ok at best, Fridays is pathetic and Saturdays besides the 3 stakes races is horrible.

Things do get better on Sunday.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Saratoga is supposed to be the most prestigous meet in the USA. I think TFM has a point here. The real pathetic card is FRIDAYS. It is easily the worst card I have ever saw at Saratoga. I go both ways on this, I wont complain like some people I will just play other tracks, but that does not mean TFM is wrong.... Thursday's card was ok at best, Fridays is pathetic and Saturdays besides the 3 stakes races is horrible.

Things do get better on Sunday.

Fman is misguided on one fact, Saratoga's opening 2 weeks has yielded some terrific racing filled with excellent prices, as for his point regarding Woodbine he is however correct.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by CSC

Fman is misguided on one fact, Saratoga's opening 2 weeks has yielded some terrific racing filled with excellent prices, as for his point regarding Woodbine he is however correct.

The bottom line is the overall racing at Saratoga from Today-Saturday is really bad. Friday really ruins it. I agree with him on todays card. I wont comment on Woodbine. I think the problem is people dont like how he says it. The cards today, Friday and most of Saturday simply SUCK. He is right about that, now if he says "Sunday sucks", then he's 100% wrong.

Sunday is loaded.

[NTamm1215]

I guess to each their own but the steady stream of full fields work out fine for me. What is so bad about Friday's card? The John's Call is one of the most competitive races they've had all meet. The opener is going to be a barn burner through the opening six furlongs. So there are two maiden claimers, big deal, the MSW for 2YOs later on the card is strong.

Horseplayers will b.itch about anything, that's an ironclad fact but if you're someone who likes big, competitive fields then the quality at Saratoga has been there since Day 1 of this meet.

I can't believe we're making a real comparison to Woodbine, who cards multiple 5-6 horse races on a daily basis. Look at the opening six races on Saturday at Woodbine...wow.

By the way, those purses at Woodbine are huge, but that's Canadian dollars. The exchange rate right now is about $.93 to the dollar.

NT

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I can't believe we're making a real comparison to Woodbine, who cards multiple 5-6 horse races on a daily basis. Look at the opening six races on Saturday at Woodbine...wow.

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

Oh, I don't resist playing other tracks at all. In fact, I'll be at the local simulcast pitching away at Arlington this week and I think there's a mule I've been waiting for at Santa Rosa. What I don't get is the complaints about NYRA racing that are mostly flimsy.

NT

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

Handicapping races should be a five minute thing? There's you're problem. You dont want to put the time into being a successful bettor.

What I dont seem to get is you blab about hitting 15-1 shots routinely....but then say you like to play 5-6 horse fields? Newsflash.....15-1 shots rarely win 6 horse fields.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

another "copy/paste/print/holepunch/binder" post for TFM

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I don't get the fascination with large fields. Last thing I need is to handicap 12-14 horse races. Why would anyone want to spend so much time on a race? Give me smaller field races. It's typically immediately clear who the speed is, and who the contenders are. Handicapping a race should be a 5 minute thing. And playing the game should be about finding advantages. This typically means playing multiple tracks.
Either you have an opinion or you don't. When I play small field races, I can identify a standout and a 1 or 2 number exotic. I realize that playing multiple numbers is some kind of rite of passage here but for me, it's just a sign of not having an opinion.

I'm disappointed, however. There's a ton of money to be made at other tracks/surfaces and I just can't understand why there's such a resistance to playing them.

Oh my! This has to be considered for post of the year.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I couldn't leave you hanging. Wanted you to have at least one response in this lonely thread.

So here's my response............................














Stick to betting 3rd rate tracks like Woodbine and quit your constant whining. Change your diaper, get a new bib, buy a few new rattles for yourself..........do whatever needs to be done. Just quit crying already.

I think you need a "time out".

I'm not often in agreement with the fat man, though he is entertaining...but saying Woodbine is a third rate track is patently false. I've taken up playing Woodbine since the spring and it's been a pretty profitable venture. It's easy to dismiss it because it's not Saratoga, Santa Anita or Gulfstream or something, but you'd be surprised. It's no where near the level of true third rate establishments like Penn National, Suffolk, or Mountaineer.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Suffolk Shippers

I'm not often in agreement with the fat man, though he is entertaining...but saying Woodbine is a third rate track is patently false. I've taken up playing Woodbine since the spring and it's been a pretty profitable venture. It's easy to dismiss it because it's not Saratoga, Santa Anita or Gulfstream or something, but you'd be surprised. It's no where near the level of true third rate establishments like Penn National, Suffolk, or Mountaineer.

I think the horses that run up their are third rate. Yes they do have some big purses and decent races. But those horses really aren't any good up there. When they come south they get trounced. And usually it's horses from The U.S. that go up there and win the big races.

If The Fatwhiner is implying that racing at WDB is better than Saratoga then he is off his rocker. It's safe to say he is losing his shirt trying to bet NY, so he whines about the races in NY. Most losers do that type of things....blame others for their failure.

[the_fat_man]

I have to watch that race again. From memory, the obvious trip was the DT horse, Graphite Halo (and the other speed). That's a hard race.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I think the horses that run up their are third rate. Yes they do have some big purses and decent races. But those horses really aren't any good up there. When they come south they get trounced. And usually it's horses from The U.S. that go up there and win the big races.

If The Fatwhiner is implying that racing at WDB is better than Saratoga then he is off his rocker. It's safe to say he is losing his shirt trying to bet NY, so he whines about the races in NY. Most losers do that type of things....blame others for their failure.

They are not third rate...
Do you look at the pp's ? Not just the entries.
I do everyday, the horses are decent.
Third rate is Finger Lakes, Charles Town, and Mountaineer... Not Woodbine.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

They are not third rate...
Do you look at the pp's ? Not just the entries.
I do everyday, the horses are decent.
Third rate is Finger Lakes, Charles Town, and Mountaineer... Not Woodbine.

Those tracks you named are like 9th rate. And yes WDB is better than them.