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![]() You can't be serious Fatty? Your super bowl analogy is comical. And clearly the GO GO Rams would not be flattered by Green Bay in Jan on grass...Don't fcuk with me with Football.. You are still missing that Poly while creditable surface is not dirt, hence a dirt horse should have to prove there mettle on it.. As for Curlin I never liked the horse, thought he was a the overrated colt of all time..
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![]() I wonder if Jackson owned Z if he would venture East? That would be the true test of his new found love of dirt.
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I'm not missing anything. Poly isn't dirt the same way a dome is not an open stadium (grass/dirt is not artificial surface). You stone age MoFo's really need to get with the program. The game is changing and you just don't want to go along. POLY IS HERE TO STAY. MONEY TALKS. |
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and slots ring true |
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However, if Steve Asmussen trained Zenyatta, she probably wouldn't get past Briecat on synthetics ... and I'm talking level weights. |
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"To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"...Voltaire |
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![]() Asmussen has nothing on her trainer.
Zenyatta has one of the absolute best .. and few if any are better at having a horse at their peak for one specific race. |
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The one horse (filly) who has campaigned this year at 6 tracks in 6 states--undefeated, twice against boys in Grade 1s--is now obligated to follow Quality Road wherever he goes, before being then obligated to run off to California to run over a bogus crap surface to face a mare that is being campaigned with the most boring, borderline cowardly approach to HOY I have ever seen. Uh, yeah. If Pletcher really wants QR to face RA, is there some law preventing HIM from entering the Woodward? Why is the burden on the only horse that is being campaigned all over the place in a highly imaginative manner? Screw you. The bug some of you people have up your collective asses about Jess Jackson is pretty telling. Your petty jealousies say more about you than him. |
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![]() Right now Rachel is the star.
It will be a shame if the Classic shapes up like last year with some of the best European talent taking a serious shot, and her not participating. It will also be anti-climactic and disappointing if Rachel does not at least run in the biggest dirt races along the schedule. Jackson has been bold so far with the Preakness and Haskel, I guess we have to hope he continues. Maybe she ships to Hanshin in Japan to get the Dirt Cup? Obviously Dubai World Cup is out of the question as this years world cup will be on synthetic with probably an improved cast featuring some of the same types of hard hitters that will be at this years Classic. |
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![]() Won't the new Dubai surface be a totally new one?
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![]() Hmmm...just read this:
http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/edito...e.cgi?id=15828 Dude is ahead of me--RA v. QR v. Zenyatta in the Woodward! If you can get me that race, you can cancel the fricking BC "dirt" (sic) races for all I care. |
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![]() This is the first you thought of this being a possibility (in fantasy-land)?
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http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sea...earchid=437143 The point is, every race is a possibility for either of them. |
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![]() OK, looks like you WERE thinking of it though you said you hadn't. That's what had me confused. Sorry.
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has nothing to do with whether she's a filly or a colt. if you have the best, you race that horse as such. i think jess feels she can move up a step, while kensei possibly can handle the colts-leaving jess with two potential big wins. i wouldn't mind seeing rachel in the travers-but in a way, it's been there done that since she's now beaten the colts twice in gr 1's. the woodward has never been won by a distaffer-another first for rachel if she pulls it off. |
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My primary point is we've all been down this road before with Jess Jackson. Last year, it was Curlin versus Big Brown that didn't happen despite all the clamoring for it. (And no, I don't completely absolve the IEAH crowd for that.) Right now, there are three really first-rate horses racing over a distance of ground in this country: Rachel, Zenyatta, and Quality Road. I've only expressed my skepticism that Jackson will allow Rachel to face either of the other two. You want to give him a pass over the Breeders' Cup because of the synthetic surface, fine. However, the Travers is a championship-type race (the so-called "forth leg" of the Triple Crown for 3YOs) being contested on dirt track at a historic venue with the other two winners of the Triple Crown races also likely to contest the race. It's been 27 years since such a confluence of events happened. That would be a truly historic race for which national television coverage is already scheduled (SportsCenter at Saratoga, I believe). And certainly good for the sport. I suspect that most racing fans would rather see that matchup than an untelevised matchup with the likes of Macho Again or Dry Martini in the Woodward, especially where it would get lost in the shuffle of the opening week of the NFL season. |
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since you like the poly tracks, i can see why you think it shouldn't be a problem for her to go. but i doubt you'd be so angry about them skipping the event if they decided to hold the whole thing on turf. i just don't understand why anyone thinks all main tracks are created equal regardless of surface composition. jess let himself be talked into running curlin, and he lost. he doesn't strike me as a stupid man. if he somehow changed his mind, and she suffered her only loss of the year on a main track in cali, i can't imagine how that would make him feel. as for how zenyatta would be hoy-the california queen won't run in the classic so it's a moot point. |