Rachel Alexandra (116 Beyer for Haskell) - Page 10

freddymo · #**181** 08-03-2009, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The idea that she wouldnt bring in more viewers is ridiclous

Agreed

Cannon Shell · #**182** 08-03-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Mike Moustakas, that's an easy one, and I've never seen him play.

I actually think having two fillies takes away the novelty of it. A filly beating the boys is an easy sell. Once it becomes two fillies beating the boys it isn't as big of a deal. People will just assume the fillies beat the boys all the time.

Moustakas=Not a star

Cannon Shell · #**183** 08-03-2009, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

The race is on a Friday anyway ...

And she would probably run terrible.

The BC Classic is on a Friday?

cabvmd · #**184** 08-03-2009, 04:20 PM

Revidere,

You must have some camera.

Those pics are beautiful.

I was there in the paddock and saw her up close, she has some look in her eye. And cool and well behaved. Exudes class.

Congrats to your daughter for her horse show ribbon.

The Indomitable DrugS · #**185** 08-03-2009, 04:20 PM

Oh brother.

freddymo · #**186** 08-03-2009, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please stop. The vast majority of owners (like 99%) need the purse money. No one said that yeah I'll run because of that extra $250k. Especially not the top 3 who were already pointing there and the rest who had little realistic shot of earning much of it.

Perhaps we should revisit this insane comment.. Look at the participants in any 3 g1 races at three different tracks and tell me at least half of the owners don't have a net worth of over 250mil.. Perhaps you/we could review the stakes races at Saratoga yesterday tell me 99% of the owners gave a flying FCUK about purse money..How about todays Amsterdam.. Oh you are saying I am focusing on the big circuits...Well DAH that is were the major stakes are held.. Oh and Yesterdays haskell had a bunch of tee shirt and cell phone dudes pooling there 100's.. Your funny Chuck.. 99% of owners in Graded races care about the purse because win lose or draw it really fn matters.. lol The friggin guys who claimed the Teddy Drone winner for 18k give dam the rest of the field was billionaire B or C team..lol you crack me up

freddymo · #**187** 08-03-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

How would it not?

I really think it would be best to have Rachel go in the Arc with Zenyatta.. Maybe they could share the plane ride? Chuck Pro Ride is not dirt perhaps you can explain why you want to see a dirt horse race on Pro Ride and not grass.. And since when is the turf classic not the the single most important grass race in America? I really think you are under estimating Rachel's potential on the turf and at 12f's..

DaTruth · #**188** 08-03-2009, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

where would you hold it? Everyone is going crazy about SA, hollywood is poly/gone soon, GP has the wrong facility, AP is poly, NY and KY are way too cold. Maybe if Brunetti were to croak and a sane person were to take over and you made Hialeah the standing location for the BC could you do this. But of course vampires never die and brunetti will live forever.

Fair Grounds is always available. Facility is very small, but they could put up tents (like after the fire) and bleachers.

Revidere · #**189** 08-03-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cabvmd

Revidere,

You must have some camera.

Those pics are beautiful.

I was there in the paddock and saw her up close, she has some look in her eye. And cool and well behaved. Exudes class.

Congrats to your daughter for her horse show ribbon.

Thanks and Thanks. Why do they always say it's the camera?

Cannon Shell · #**190** 08-03-2009, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Perhaps we should revisit this insane comment.. Look at the participants in any 3 g1 races at three different tracks and tell me at least half of the owners don't have a net worth of over 250mil.. Perhaps you/we could review the stakes races at Saratoga yesterday tell me 99% of the owners gave a flying FCUK about purse money..How about todays Amsterdam.. Oh you are saying I am focusing on the big circuits...Well DAH that is were the major stakes are held.. Oh and Yesterdays haskell had a bunch of tee shirt and cell phone dudes pooling there 100's.. Your funny Chuck.. 99% of owners in Graded races care about the purse because win lose or draw it really fn matters.. lol The friggin guys who claimed the Teddy Drone winner for 18k give dam the rest of the field was billionaire B or C team..lol you crack me up

Please freddy. If they didn't care so much about it why do they complain so much about it? No one said that they are going broke if they dont win but to act as the vast majority of owners arent running their horse operations as a business is silly. I mean Sheik Mo has a lot of money right? why doesnt he lower the sales commission to .5% at fasig? I mean he doesnt need the money? Why not stand the stallions for $1000? Why doesn't Jackson donate his horses earning to charity? Yeah they love to keep losing money. Thats why Monmouth added more money to their pot or CD did last summer, because noone cares about it? Dont be stupid, the money is how the really rich guys keep score. And they do keep score.

Cannon Shell · #**191** 08-03-2009, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

I really think it would be best to have Rachel go in the Arc with Zenyatta.. Maybe they could share the plane ride? Chuck Pro Ride is not dirt perhaps you can explain why you want to see a dirt horse race on Pro Ride and not grass.. And since when is the turf classic not the the single most important grass race in America? I really think you are under estimating Rachel's potential on the turf and at 12f's..

Listen fred if you cant understand simple concepts like Ernie Paragallo doesnt give a damn about his horses or anyone else for that matter why would i expect you to understand why she should run in the Classic.

So far in this thread I have been told that RA running in the BC would be bad for the sport, that she shouldnt run in the classic if she did, that 6 yo slugs have been winning the classic, that positive press doesnt matter, that a 500k race at Calder in December would be better than the BC for Zenyatta and RA, that RA wouldnt draw more viewers to the BC telecast, and that owners dont care about money.

And supposedly I'm the one who doesn't get it.....

Cannon Shell · #**192** 08-03-2009, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DaTruth

Fair Grounds is always available. Facility is very small, but they could put up tents (like after the fire) and bleachers.

According to people here it doesnt matter because no one has ever heard of Zenyatta and RA has no following.

freddymo · #**193** 08-04-2009, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Please freddy. If they didn't care so much about it why do they complain so much about it? No one said that they are going broke if they dont win but to act as the vast majority of owners arent running their horse operations as a business is silly. I mean Sheik Mo has a lot of money right? why doesnt he lower the sales commission to .5% at fasig? I mean he doesnt need the money? Why not stand the stallions for $1000? Why doesn't Jackson donate his horses earning to charity? Yeah they love to keep losing money. Thats why Monmouth added more money to their pot or CD did last summer, because noone cares about it? Dont be stupid, the money is how the really rich guys keep score. And they do keep score.

Oh I get it it's the scorecard.. Chuck in case nobody told you if they looked at the score card they would never buy a friggin horse again. These folks lose huge money each and every year. There are those in the business of breeding and racing and those that are in the hobby of racing.. You want me to accept that Zayat is keeping score.. Uh how about Hobby 100 mil your winnings 3 mil.. BTW they may try and represent that they are making BUSINESS decisions but in all candor that is truly impossible as it is a hobby.

freddymo · #**194** 08-04-2009, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Listen fred if you cant understand simple concepts like Ernie Paragallo doesnt give a damn about his horses or anyone else for that matter why would i expect you to understand why she should run in the Classic.

So far in this thread I have been told that RA running in the BC would be bad for the sport, that she shouldnt run in the classic if she did, that 6 yo slugs have been winning the classic, that positive press doesnt matter, that a 500k race at Calder in December would be better than the BC for Zenyatta and RA, that RA wouldnt draw more viewers to the BC telecast, and that owners dont care about money.

And supposedly I'm the one who doesn't get it.....

How does unestimating a persons insensitivy to his animals suggest that I can't understand the concept of were Rachel should run??

I never said she shouldn't run I repped that why would she run on a 3rd surface type that is suppose to equate to dirt but clearly doesn't. So you think that now its a good idea to expose the fringe viewer to Championship day on a third surface and market to them that Rachel should be just as good on this stuff they know nothing about. Ok this is brilliant stuff. People who are new to the game (fringe viewers) are going to tune in expecting a super dirt filly only to be baited and switched to a Poly race that clearly she will not be the same on. But the good news is we got them to watch and not understand the complexity of the situation or have them frustrated that she really is no big deal as some never was no name beats her. That should get them back.. What you don't see is the harm that you could do by hyping speed and greatness and only to have it bit you in the marketing face.

Look your a tad jealous, no you are a lot jealous. AS AM I.. I want a horse like Rachel, as you I want to call her my own. It's ok admitted you are frustrated as she is not yours and anything these folks do you will be scornful of..Its human nature I get it.

You know the Moss's while wonderful people in the game and truly charitable people by all accounts really are standing behind this BC Classic loyalty a bit to firmly for my palate. I think you can wag your I Hate Jess flag all you want the guy races his horses all ove ..The by product is fans get to see them and they try things that most other trainers wouldn't.

Trust me we all know if you owned/trained Rachel, and I hope you do get such a horse, that you would have had her racing against fillies on 4 weeks rest on dirt and or would have sold her to a Jess/Shiek type and basked in a big pay day.. I figure that is just the way things are for the folks who still have to keep some score.

Rachel doesn't need to run on Pro Ride to prove herself.. Look what are you going to moan about if she won the Classic on Pro Ride? Why Jess is breeding her on March 1 to Curlin or How could he not run her as a 4 year old? Please already the guy bought a great horse whatever he paid it doesn't matter he isn't keeping friggin score. He is living out the balance of his life exactly the way he wants becasue I guess he was a fcukin lucky guy or a great score keeper..Eitherway thank you Jess.. Thx for buying her and not letting hal wiggins run her against her own every 4 weeks till we all got bored to death. Thx for sending her to the Preakness where she kicked ass.. Thx for not sending her to the Belmont and having the good sense not to over extend her. Thx for a smart prep in a historic race..Thx for sending her to the Haskell and inviting all that is standing to come and try and catch my girl.. And finally thx for exposing NTRA and there ridiculous decision to force dirt horses to compete on a surface which is not there best on a what is suppose to be a proving ground for American Turf and dirt racing..

Maybe just maybe NTRA gets a clue and alters there incompetience immediately.

TouchOfGrey · #**195** 08-04-2009, 01:28 PM

Cheers to Rachel!

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Kendall-Jackson Winery announced Tuesday a limited edition of wines honoring their 3-year-old will be ready for the holiday season.

Scav · #**196** 08-04-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchOfGrey

Cheers to Rachel!

Yep!! It isn't about the money....

Smooth Operator · #**197** 08-04-2009, 01:59 PM

LMAO ... so Mr. Sportsman doesn't want to come out to Cali to face THE CHAMP.

Actually, who can blame him ... Zen would school her at the BC...

Sightseek · #**198** 08-04-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Yep!! It isn't about the money....

I put myself on the wait list, but it is very doubtful that it is as good as Funny Cide Pride Ice Cream. Best ice cream ever, even if it wasn't named after a horse!

DerbyCat · #**199** 08-04-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Yep!! It isn't about the money....

So, are you saying you don't want a bottle of Rachel wine for Christmas this year?

freddymo · #**200** 08-04-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

Yep!! It isn't about the money....

It's 300 cases it isn't about money.. 3600 bottles of wine isn't a making money.. let's put it this way 300 cases of Petrus 47 isn't a big deal for Jess money wise so how is 300 cases of his low rent swill mean anything monetarily.. It's funny you guys must all think I love the guy, when in all honesty I basically have opinion eitherway. I just think he is a older sick man playing up 18.. I feel sorry for him in a way.