Rachel Alexandra (116 Beyer for Haskell)

Cannon Shell · #1 08-03-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

"Hurry up Gladis, the race is coming up" "What race, you know the two fillies that are better then the boys".."Oh I like the grey one #2 he is so pretty" Give me a break Chuck this is not anything that is important to the future of racing..

The reasons Gladis likes football is she picked the Bears to beat the Dolphins in the office pool and if The Bears win by 3 she wins 210 bucks and that mean Mr Moskowitz doesn't win again..Or she lives in Chic and its always better in town after Da bears win..That is the fringe fan the hardcore fan the sports' fan male or female doesn't care they will always be a fan..

T

Hold on, you are saying that marketing the sport is worthless to the future of racing?

SniperSB23 · #2 08-03-2009, 11:33 AM

The only way you can make the Breeders Cup a successful television event is to have it at two tracks with staggered post times so that a race is going off every 15 minutes (like the Sunshine Millions). Owners, trainers, and jockeys will all fight this so it will never happen. Even when I get people to watch horse racing and they start to get interested, as soon as they see it is another half hour to the next race they go find something else to do. If you have a race going off every 15 minutes they may actually stick around and watch. With the current structure it is never going to draw new fans as it makes for a terrible televised event.

Mike · #3 08-03-2009, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The only way you can make the Breeders Cup a successful television event is to have it at two tracks with staggered post times so that a race is going off every 15 minutes (like the Sunshine Millions). Owners, trainers, and jockeys will all fight this so it will never happen. Even when I get people to watch horse racing and they start to get interested, as soon as they see it is another half hour to the next race they go find something else to do. If you have a race going off every 15 minutes they may actually stick around and watch. With the current structure it is never going to draw new fans as it makes for a terrible televised event.

MaTH716 · #4 08-03-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

The only way you can make the Breeders Cup a successful television event is to have it at two tracks with staggered post times so that a race is going off every 15 minutes (like the Sunshine Millions). Owners, trainers, and jockeys will all fight this so it will never happen. Even when I get people to watch horse racing and they start to get interested, as soon as they see it is another half hour to the next race they go find something else to do. If you have a race going off every 15 minutes they may actually stick around and watch. With the current structure it is never going to draw new fans as it makes for a terrible televised event.

I don't think it's a bad idea, but I think you are punishing the loyal fans who watch and play all year round just to cater to a fan base that probably won't watch another race until the derby. I enjoy watching and playing the entire day. I look at it as a second Super Bowl. Plus, I still miss stuff with 45 minutes in between races now I will only have about 15. Lets face it a day at the track is a day at the track. It should not be made into a 2 hour made for TV special.

Oh yeah, Awesome pics Rev. Thanks for posting.

SniperSB23 · #5 08-03-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

I don't think it's a bad idea, but I think you are punishing the loyal fans who watch and play all year round just to cater to a fan base that probably won't watch another race until the derby. I enjoy watching and playing the entire day. I look at it as a second Super Bowl. Plus, I still miss stuff with 45 minutes in between races now I will only have about 15. Lets face it a day at the track is a day at the track. It should not be made into a 2 hour made for TV special.

Oh yeah, Awesome pics Rev. Thanks for posting.

There is nothing untrue in what you say. The simple fact remains that in its current structure it is a terrible television event so the idea that the BC is going to draw in new fans is unrealistic. You can't have less than 4 minutes of action an hour and keep casual fans watching.

MaTH716 · #6 08-03-2009, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

There is nothing untrue in what you say. The simple fact remains that in its current structure it is a terrible television event so the idea that the BC is going to draw in new fans is unrealistic. You can't have less than 4 minutes of action an hour and keep casual fans watching.

That's why they have to take other opportunites to drag them in. The BC is a tough platform to sell to would be fans because of the all day format not to mention the two words College Football. If they are able to get/have the fans before the BC then those people might be a bit captivavted, or to watch a horse that they might have seen in a well promoted race during the summer.
Then maybe NTRA/BC could buy some air time on other networks to remind people and advertise the upcoming stars in the next race that will be going off in about 10 or so minutes. ABC could have some sort of crawl with updates reguarding post times and prices. At least you might get a few people that will be reminded and flip over to watch a race or two and not have to watch the endless garbage that goes into making a 6 hour show (that most races fans let alone newbies don't care about to watch).

freddymo · #7 08-03-2009, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

That's why they have to take other opportunites to drag them in. The BC is a tough platform to sell to would be fans because of the all day format not to mention the two words College Football. If they are able to get/have the fans before the BC then those people might be a bit captivavted, or to watch a horse that they might have seen in a well promoted race during the summer.
Then maybe NTRA/BC could buy some air time on other networks to remind people and advertise the upcoming stars in the next race that will be going off in about 10 or so minutes. ABC could have some sort of crawl with updates reguarding post times and prices. At least you might get a few people that will be reminded and flip over to watch a race or two and not have to watch the endless garbage that goes into making a 6 hour show (that most races fans let alone newbies don't care about to watch).

The obvious point that Rachel will bring more viewership is a complete axiom

brockguy · #8 08-03-2009, 12:26 PM

in fairness, the Euros we sent over for the Classic last year were pretty good, same with this year..

It will be one of the biggest missed opportunites in horse racing if they can't get Zenyatta and Rachel in the starting gates together, be it with other fillies, colts, mares, turf horses, poly horses, dirt horses or on their own..

Cannon Shell · #9 08-03-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

The obvious point that Rachel will bring more viewership is a complete axiom

The idea that she wouldnt bring in more viewers is ridiclous

cabvmd · #10 08-03-2009, 05:20 PM

Revidere,

You must have some camera.

Those pics are beautiful.

I was there in the paddock and saw her up close, she has some look in her eye. And cool and well behaved. Exudes class.

Congrats to your daughter for her horse show ribbon.

Revidere · #11 08-03-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cabvmd

Revidere,

You must have some camera.

Those pics are beautiful.

I was there in the paddock and saw her up close, she has some look in her eye. And cool and well behaved. Exudes class.

Congrats to your daughter for her horse show ribbon.

Thanks and Thanks. Why do they always say it's the camera?

Scav · #12 08-03-2009, 11:51 AM

TV is not the answer people. A good marketing department IS the answer.

There will be 30k out for the Million next weekend here, and it isn't because of a ton of horse racing fans around here, it is because they market the hell out of it. 35k for Mothers and Fathers Day out here.

Arlington has been packed on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. When I saw packed, between 10k and 20k. And let me say this, if Arlington was to try a night card like Churchill did, they would get 30k out there, easy.

Arlington is no where near TV. They have some radio spots, but they market the living hell out of it, especially when people actually come to the track.

freddymo · #13 08-03-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Scav

TV is not the answer people. A good marketing department IS the answer.

There will be 30k out for the Million next weekend here, and it isn't because of a ton of horse racing fans around here, it is because they market the hell out of it. 35k for Mothers and Fathers Day out here.

Arlington has been packed on Fridays, Saturdays and Sundays. When I saw packed, between 10k and 20k. And let me say this, if Arlington was to try a night card like Churchill did, they would get 30k out there, easy.

Arlington is no where near TV. They have some radio spots, but they market the living hell out of it, especially when people actually come to the track.

This is good news...Nothing wrong with Poly