Props To Mike Smith

[King Glorious]

He did ride the horse correctly. There's not a single person alive that would have thought going into that far turn that Big Drama was going to come back to them the way he did. Smith had to go at the point that he did in order to give himself any chance. The fact that the horse didn't have enough to get the job done doesn't mean that Smith didn't move at the right time with him.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

He did ride the horse correctly. There's not a single person alive that would have thought going into that far turn that Big Drama was going to come back to them the way he did. Smith had to go at the point that he did in order to give himself any chance. The fact that the horse didn't have enough to get the job done doesn't mean that Smith didn't move at the right time with him.

i think he started pushing him too soon-no horse can sustain a long drive. BUT, you'd think he could have won anyhow, considering who did win.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he started pushing him too soon-no horse can sustain a long drive. BUT, you'd think he could have won anyhow, considering who did win.

exactly, thats the point, even with having to move to early once they started walking home he should have jogged on by....but for the next month they can say its the ride, I hope he sucks lots of money in the Travers.

[brianwspencer]

I thought he rode the right race. He's a good guy who it seems would take the blame for something like that, but he moves then and loses and it's his fault...he waits and Drama doesn't come back, or Soul Warrior gets the jump and he's a few strides too late, and then it's his fault for letting them get away.

He was in a no-win situation, and I think he made the right call.

[boswd]

I agree Mike Smith is a stand up guy, one of my favorites but he is just not the right jockey for this horse, If RA doesn't go in the Traver's I would like to see Calvin back on MTB, but Ramon was a nice suggestions as well, but I think with this type of race MTB needs a familar face on board

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by boswd

I agree Mike Smith is a stand up guy, one of my favorites but he is just not the right jockey for this horse, If RA doesn't go in the Traver's I would like to see Calvin back on MTB, but Ramon was a nice suggestions as well, but I think with this type of race MTB needs a familar face on board

Not the right jockey because the horse has lost twice while he is aboard? Is it in the realm of possibility that the horse might not have been good enough to win on either of those days? Or is it just easier to say its the jock's fault?

Was it Borel's fault in the Belmont?

[boswd]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Not the right jockey because the horse has lost twice while he is aboard? Is it in the realm of possibility that the horse might not have been good enough to win on either of those days? Or is it just easier to say its the jock's fault?

Was it Borel's fault in the Belmont?

Watching Mike Smith ride MTB is like watching Michael Scott joke around with minorities .

[Cannon Shell]

Was it Borel's fault in the Belmont?




Yes

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think he started pushing him too soon-no horse can sustain a long drive. BUT, you'd think he could have won anyhow, considering who did win.

What about the horse that won the race? Where did he start making his move? I thought Smith went when he had to. If he waits a little longer and comes up a 1/2 length short, people would say that he waited too long. I thought it was timed right but the horse, coming off the layoff, was a little short and that's what got him beat.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

What about the horse that won the race? Where did he start making his move? I thought Smith went when he had to. If he waits a little longer and comes up a 1/2 length short, people would say that he waited too long. I thought it was timed right but the horse, coming off the layoff, was a little short and that's what got him beat.

i don't think mine that bird can make that kind of move-he loses his closing kick when he has to start closing that far from the finish. it's what got him beat at belmont. it worked well for the winner, but not for him. had smith waited til MTB gets to his sweet spot-he may still have come up short. who knows?
he won once when no one else fired, he's closed a few times since into the money-which is what closers do. i think he's just not that good, as was shown yesterday. he needs everything just right.

[10 pnt move up]

Everyone....Lets say he got the perfect trip, all horses should get that benefit

lets say it happened and he won, it still would have been a very poor effort in a slow time and low figure, your supposed to bet that at 4/1 or so in the Travers? No thanks. What if the rider whats another half furlong or so he is going to draw off by 8-10 for a good figure effort? Come on, the kool aid is tasty in here.

[letswastemoney]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Everyone....Lets say he got the perfect trip, all horses should get that benefit

lets say it happened and he won, it still would have been a very poor effort in a slow time and low figure, your supposed to bet that at 4/1 or so in the Travers? No thanks. What if the rider whats another half furlong or so he is going to draw off by 8-10 for a good figure effort? Come on, the kool aid is tasty in here.

considering the jump from his Sunland figure to KD, maybe?

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by letswastemoney

considering the jump from his Sunland figure to KD, maybe?

bet away in a month then, I dont see it