Henry Gates Jr. some simple rules to follow

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i agree totally with you even though your taking crap. i'm white, if some cop comes up to my door for i/d he better have a good reason. i won't hesitate to piss all over his parade in MY yard! i don't give a crap what he thinks he got called there for its MY property and if i get pissed off for him questioning me on MY property, he best not arrest me. like you said people are stupid and politicians are cowards. obama said the right thing then back peddled like a complete puss. the reason that this country has gone to Sh^t is this sheep, follow authority mentality. no one questions anything and accepts any garbage the government hands out. if the cop does not want me cussing him out then he can stay off MY land. otherwise, his mother does suck and whats he going to do about it? arrest me ? i think not. arrested on your front porch, for being insulted by some numb nut cop? welcome to the USSR of the united states. the color has no meaning here when you are arrested like this. can you say police state ? charges had to be dropped, if he sues, well there goes the budget...lol. we had some moron deputy up here arrest a kid for kicking a baseball helmet at a pony league game. he was the coach of the opposing team and sent his buddies over to arrest the kid the next day. guess what happened to him? most cops are good, but you give some guys a gun and badge and they are dumber than a 40 year old virgin with a hard on. its called power drunk! if someone gets pissed off abouit you barging onto THEIR property without permission. the cop should say good day, sorry we bothered you on YOUR property. i don't care if the guy called him the child of satan !

I think that we all agree with you that the police have no right to come to a person's house or enter a person's house for no reason. For them to enter your house, they need probable cause.

If a neighbor reports hearing yelling or screaming coming from a house and there could be something going on there such as a domestic disturbance, an altercation, etc. then the police have the right to enter the house and investigate. If a neighbor thinks they saw someone breaking into a house, the police have the right to go and investigate. They don't just have the right to investigate, they have a duty to investigate. That's their job.

Their investigation involves going to the house and interviewing the occupants to find out what is going on. If the occupants are belligerent or uncooperative and are impeding the investigation, then the police have every right to arrest them. If the occupants are cooperative and the police determine that no crime has been committed, then there won't be any problem and the police will leave.

[docicu3]

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Their investigation involves going to the house and interviewing the occupants to find out what is going on. If the occupants are belligerent or uncooperative and are impeding the investigation, then the police have every right to arrest them. If the occupants are cooperative and the police determine that no crime has been committed, then there won't be any problem and the police will leave.[/quote]

A very fine line here when you use uncooperative and beligerant in the same sentence in this context.

If a cop shows up in my home uninvited and starts to agressively interogate me in my home for little probable cause then I have every right to remain silent to his inquires, if that's belligerent then I would be guilty of such.

No citizen is under any obligation to answer any policeman's questions. He has the choice to have the conversation at the station house in the presence of an officer of the court or his/her lawyer. It certainly would look far different if this conversation took place in a dark bank at 300 AM but in my house without an invitation the police need to show probable cause for entry, especially without a warrant. I have yet to read or hear a solid argument for why the police were really there.

None of us were actually there so certainly we are all choosing to interpret what we think went on with our own biases but if our homes offer no refuge from unnecessary persecution what country has this become?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by docicu3

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Their investigation involves going to the house and interviewing the occupants to find out what is going on. If the occupants are belligerent or uncooperative and are impeding the investigation, then the police have every right to arrest them. If the occupants are cooperative and the police determine that no crime has been committed, then there won't be any problem and the police will leave.

A very fine line here when you use uncooperative and beligerant in the same sentence in this context.

If a cop shows up in my home uninvited and starts to agressively interogate me in my home for little probable cause then I have every right to remain silent to his inquires, if that's belligerent then I would be guilty of such.

No citizen is under any obligation to answer any policeman's questions. He has the choice to have the conversation at the station house in the presence of an officer of the court or his/her lawyer. It certainly would look far different if this conversation took place in a dark bank at 300 AM but in my house without an invitation the police need to show probable cause for entry, especially without a warrant. I have yet to read or hear a solid argument for why the police were really there.

None of us were actually there so certainly we are all choosing to interpret what we think went on with our own biases but if our homes offer no refuge from unnecessary persecution what country has this become?[/quote]



from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

A very fine line here when you use uncooperative and beligerant in the same sentence in this context.

If a cop shows up in my home uninvited and starts to agressively interogate me in my home for little probable cause then I have every right to remain silent to his inquires, if that's belligerent then I would be guilty of such.

No citizen is under any obligation to answer any policeman's questions. He has the choice to have the conversation at the station house in the presence of an officer of the court or his/her lawyer. It certainly would look far different if this conversation took place in a dark bank at 300 AM but in my house without an invitation the police need to show probable cause for entry, especially without a warrant. I have yet to read or hear a solid argument for why the police were really there.

None of us were actually there so certainly we are all choosing to interpret what we think went on with our own biases but if our homes offer no refuge from unnecessary persecution what country has this become?

from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE]

the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher

[SuffolkGirl]

Originally Posted by gales0678

from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE]

the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher

the 911 tape may be released today. The caller is not from the neighborhood (she is from Malden about 7 or 8 miles away) She happened to be walking down the street and saw 2 people, from the back, attempting to force open a door. She had no idea the race/ethnicity of the individuals at the door.

[randallscott35]

Yes the 911 tapes were released and the caller said NOTHING about the race of the individual...yet another strike against those in this thread who tried so hard to make this about race.

[Cannon Shell]

sanity from an unlikely source

http://stephena.com/?p=252

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Yes the 911 tapes were released and the caller said NOTHING about the race of the individual...yet another strike against those in this thread who tried so hard to make this about race.

Yeah, it's kind of funny that she's getting her name dragged through the mud when she was the only one that did the right thing in this situation. She saw someone breaking into a house and called the police. That's what she is supposed to do. It isn't her role to find out whether the person is breaking into their own house or someone else's, that is what the police are for. Then Gates decided to make it a race issue and escalate the situation which was totally wrong. Then the officer let the situation escalate and chose to arrest a person for disorderly conduct in their own home which was also wrong, he could have just taken the high road, apologized, and left. Then Obama called the officer stupid in a public interview which was also wrong. The only one who did the right thing in this situation was this woman.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by gales0678

from what i read, gates had a difficult time getting in his front door, and i guess was forcing it open...apparently someone thought he was breaking in his own house. perhaps the profiling in this case was done by whomever called the cops?[/QUOTE]

the 911 caller said it looked as though someone was breaking into the house , the caller did not say black or white to the 911 dispatcher

ok, thanks. i just thought based on how things were handled that since the cops were called, then obviously it couldn't be profiling on their part. they didn't just stroll by and decide to pick on someone.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ok, thanks. i just thought based on how things were handled that since the cops were called, then obviously it couldn't be profiling on their part. they didn't just stroll by and decide to pick on someone.

the cops (including the black sargent at the scene) did their jobs plain and simple

the are other cases of profiling , this was not one of them

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/...de.in.arms.cnn