Jeter vs Dye for MVP

Originally Posted by Gander

Mike-

The Twins are 26-5 in the 31 games Johan Santana has pitched in. How many of those 31 games would the Twins have won if say they had an average pitcher in there like Jared Wright? While Jeter is an excellent player, he doesnt have as much to do with the Yankees winning as Santana does when the Twins win. And Jermaine Dye doesnt just have "more HRs than Jeter", he has almost 30 more. And 22 more RBI. Two stats much more important in today's game than batting average.

All very awesome players, none of them bad choices to win the MVP. Even Long Duck Dong has a shot at the MVP this year.

Tim thats just crazy. And Rbi's in the 2nd slot? 92? Go find me someone this year hitting in the 2nd slot with 92 Rbi's. I havent looked, I swear Tim, but thats an awful high number for a guy batting 2nd.
Whats the Yanks record in games that Rivera appeared in Tim? Bet its better than santana's!!!! Lots better.
And if home runs mean so much , why will Big papi and manny be home on the couch soon instead of in the playoffs?

[Gander]

Because the Red Sox are quitting slobs. Thats why!

Mariano only usually pitches in games with the Yankees leading or tied at worst. He doesnt do as much as Santana does in the games he pitches. That is not even arguable.

Who cares about MVP's anyways? The only thing that matters is winning the World Series.

Originally Posted by Gander

Because the Red Sox are quitting slobs. Thats why!

Mariano only usually pitches in games with the Yankees leading or tied at worst. He doesnt do as much as Santana does in the games he pitches. That is not even arguable.

Who cares about MVP's anyways? The only thing that matters is winning the World Series.

Well if hr's mattered so much then Giambi would be the MVP of the Yankees and it just aint so.
The all around game of a player is the key.
And pitchers only pitch 30-40 times. That aint enough to get an award vs guys who play every day.
Dh's don't have to play the field and have no business winning it either.

[Gander]

I disagree but thats just my right as an American tax payer! And I hope your not trying to compare Giambi with Dye as hitters. Dye is batting a very nice .321. Not sure what Giambi is batting but I will take a gander its at least 70 points below Dye's average. Dye is the complete package, an excellent fielder to boot. I wont go into my opinion of Giambi. You all know it and frankly its as tired as dscussing polycrap.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

The only reason people care about this is because Ortiz started running his mouth about it.Ortiz probably deserves this,but I would never vote for anybody on that team for anything this year.You shut it down on the 25th of August.and you deserve nothing,and your players deserve nothing.If they want one of their players to get an award,they will get their a$$ back into to atleast pinch hit in games.I do not think Jeter has done enough.If he was so valuable,then he wouldn't be batting 2nd would he? No.So,don't tell us he would have more RBIs if he was batting 4th.His manager would bat him 4th if he was their most valuable hitter.It is a lame argument to say "if he was batting somewhere else." Anybody but those 2 (Ortiz,and Jeter)is fine with me.Atleast Ortiz has the numbers.Folks,you aren't the most valuable player unless your shooting the ball out of the park atleast 35 times a season.You just aren't.To say someboidy with less than 35 jaks is MVP material,is simply a large media push.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Jeter will be either first or second in the batting title, has played outstanding short all year, and will have over 100 RBI's hitting second. What more would you like him to do? Again, I think either he or Dye should get it, but I think Jeter's season has been a definite MVP type year.

Like I said ..........minimum 35 jaks a year.You don't like that? Too bad.Powerful people are valuable.They damage.Halos survived many a single and double that little Jeter got off them.If those had been jaks,you wouldn't be wondering why the Halos have beaten you 9 times in 1 calendar year.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Well you edited your post, after to include the 35, or I would have mentioned it. I personally can't stand the Yankees, I am not a fan, as I said earlier so this isn't grandstanding. Power is indeed important, but I'd take Jeter over anyone in the game right now. His numbers are there, but it's the intangibles that make him special. And actually I don't think power wins games. Good pitching, good defense and timely hitting wins games.

Mainly,it's good pitching that wins games,and Oracle is gunna get that thru his head when Haren,Contreras,Santana etc. beat the Yanks in the post.That 3 hitter that Haren threw today was gunna be that way regardless of the team at bat.He will realize that soon enough.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I'm with you on pitching. I usually am fighting with Yankee fans this time of year, because I am so sure they will get beat in the playoffs. But I'm not so sure this year. I don't think the White Sox are going to get in. Which leaves Minn, who cannot beat them in a series with no Liriano. Detroit has had a great year, but I am troubled by the way they are finishing the year off. The Angels can beat them and have shown they can. It's the Yanks or Angels in the World Series in my opinion.

Angels aren't getting it done offensively,and quite frankly Mike has done a lot of stupid things this year.Take today,for instance,Saunders has been horrible each time on 4 days rest,but they start him anyways.Then he gets lit up,and has no control,and they don't take him out until there are like 6 or 7 runs given up.Pretty retarded.If I didn't know better,I would think Mike had 10k on the CHISOX,or he bet the over.The guy has been great on 5 days rest.Hell,ask Oracle.He beat them on a Friday night in New York(5 days rest,)and then got shelled by them on a Sunday in Anaheim(on 4 days rest.)

BTW,I do think the Chisox will get in.All 3 pitchers the last 3 games pitched well.Contreras wasn't gunna be hit by anybody.Not sure about the other 2.The Halos are pretty much women at the plate half the time,but for sure Contreras was a witch on Monday Night.

[Gander]

In summation, relievers like Riviera come into games to protect leads created by dominant pitchers like Santana. The starters do the hard work and the relievers simply protect leads. Important and necessary? Yes. But lets be realistic, Riviera isnt exactly having a career year and check out most of the leads he has to protect...usually at minimum 2-3 run leads.

And to compare a player like Jermaine Dye with Jason Giambi is absurd and that quite frankly is putting it very nicely.