Denman trying hard; (Bejarano-Multiple facial fractures)

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by Split Rock

They are easy targets.

It comes with the territory, but we all know that going in. jballscalls bashes me daily on his "Beem Me Up" radio show or whatever he's calling it.

[Ronnie]

I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

Of course he feels bad. I mean I don't know either party personally, but every trainer i've ever known thats had a horse go down has felt awful about the horse, the grooms, the owners and the riders. It's a no win situation and it sucks for everyone.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

Doubt it. Poly won't save horses who shouldn't be racing.

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I wonder if O'Neill feels an ounce of remorse for what happened to Bejarano.

I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

Bite him.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Bite him.

Exactly!

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

do you think trainers really care about the riders, in general. He probably cares because it was his horse but as Lukas said "these guys are paid well for the choices they make" (i paraphrase)

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

do you think trainers really care about the riders, in general. He probably cares because it was his horse but as Lukas said "these guys are paid well for the choices they make" (i paraphrase)

of course they do. they work day in and day out with these guys

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

of course they do. they work day in and day out with these guys

you hate to lump them all together but just heard to many "stupid pinhead" type comments when I have been around trainers...maybe I just associated at the track with bad people?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I wonder if this is the stupidest most unfeeling post I've ever read. Or only #2?

He didn't ask whether O'Neil felt bad about what happened. He didn't ask if O'Neil felt terrible for Rafael. Those would have been stupid questions, but that's not what he asked.

He asked whether O'Neil feels "remorse". Remorse implies a feeling of guilt over something that you did that you know was wrong.

If a trainer runs a horse that he knows is lame and the horse breaks down and the jockey gets hurt, the trainer would probably feel remorseful (if he has a conscience).

If a trainer ran a totally sound horse that went down due to some freak incident and the jockey got hurt, the trainer would feel terrible but he would not feel remorseful. You only are going to feel remorse if you did something wrong. "Remorse" implies "painful regret over wrongdoing".

I don't think any of us know whether O'Neil feels remorse. If he thinks he ran a lame horse, then he probably feels remorse. If he thinks he ran a sound horse, then he would feel terrible over what happened but he wouldn't feel remorse.

I don't think it was a stupid question.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

He didn't ask whether O'Neil felt bad about what happened. He didn't ask if O'Neil felt terrible for Rafael. Those would have been stupid questions, but that's not what he asked.

He asked whether O'Neil feels "remorse". Remorse implies a feeling of guilt over something that you did that you know was wrong.

If a trainer runs a horse that he knows is lame and the horse breaks down and the jockey gets hurt, the trainer would probably feel remorseful (if he has a conscience).

If a trainer ran a totally sound horse that went down due to some freak incident and the jockey got hurt, the trainer would feel terrible but he would not feel remorseful. You only are going to feel remorse if you did something wrong. "Remorse" implies "painful regret over wrongdoing".

I don't think any of us know whether O'Neil feels remorse. If he thinks he ran a lame horse, then he probably feels remorse. If he thinks he ran a sound horse, then he would feel terrible over what happened but he wouldn't feel remorse.

I don't think it was a stupid question.

If you know you are sending a jock out on a lame horse you shouldn't feel remorse you should feel shame and disgust that you set up a jock to possibly die because you had to win a damn 12.5K claimer or whatever it was. Never mind that it is one of the leading jocks in the game, it doesn't matter.......tar and feather wouldn't be enough for that crime and that is exactly what is if you knew the horse was lame when you sent him out there.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by docicu3

If you know you are sending a jock out on a lame horse you shouldn't feel remorse you should feel shame and disgust that you set up a jock to possibly die because you had to win a damn 12.5K claimer or whatever it was. Never mind that it is one of the leading jocks in the game, it doesn't matter.......tar and feather wouldn't be enough for that crime and that is exactly what is if you knew the horse was lame when you sent him out there.

I am not going to comment on this particular horse because I don't know what his issue or issues were.

But in general, guys run horses every day that they know have serious physical problems. These horses usually don't break down but these horses are obviously at 100x greater risk than a sound horse.

If they didn't let horses run that had serious problems, the fields would be cut in half. Half of those claiming horses have serious problems. But it's not an exact science as to when or if they will break down.

All you can really do is just hope that the track vet can catch the ones that are at serious risk and not allow those horses to run. But as I said, it's not an exact science. Ever since the Eight Belles incident, the track vets out here have been much stricter. Overall, I think they are doing a really good job.

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't think it was a stupid question.

So in other words Vic is stupid.

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

So in other words Vic is stupid.

Those are the words I'd use to describe me.

Stupid for ever trying to take time to give a real feel for what goes on.

Doug O'neill is one of the nicest, caring humans I've ever met. Not Trainers. Humans.

He's felt every gamet of emotion since this terrible accident happened. Sadness that he lost a horse that he cared about and so sorry about the way he died.

Concern for Bejarano and his family. Remorse that this accident overshadowed a great opening day at Del Mar. Doubt that he could have done a better job to avoid the tragedy.

I believe that most of the people who read these messages are good and decent people. For the few of you creatins out there. Why don't you understand that the people you speak of are humans just like anybody else.

They have kids and lives and cheating husbands and alcoholic fathers and drugged out brothers and forclosed houses and racist friends and every other GD thing you can think of. Just like the rest of the world.

Just because you bet a few bucks on their horses does not give anybody the right to think they can assail the character of a man who's put his life and soul into the sport.

Boy does the internet make people brave. Not one of you Coach Pants types would have the balls to stand face to face to me, Doug or anyone else and spew your hate. Everyone of the haters should ask themselves how they'ed feel if their lives and livelyhoods were smeared all over the blogs all day everyday. How would they hold up?

I'll keep appreciating the real fan and horse lovers out there. They are the ones who make all the hard work for guys like Doug O'neill worthwhile. For the rest of you.

Well we'll just leave you to yourselves. I can think of no better way to get even.

Vic Stauffer

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Those are the words I'd use to describe me.

Stupid for ever trying to take time to give a real feel for what goes on.

Doug O'neill is one of the nicest, caring humans I've ever met. Not Trainers. Humans.

He's felt every gamet of emotion since this terrible accident happened. Sadness that he lost a horse that he cared about and so sorry about the way he died.

Concern for Bejarano and his family. Remorse that this accident overshadowed a great opening day at Del Mar. Doubt that he could have done a better job to avoid the tragedy.

I believe that most of the people who read these messages are good and decent people. For the few of you creatins out there. Why don't you understand that the people you speak of are humans just like anybody else.

They have kids and lives and cheating husbands and alcoholic fathers and drugged out brothers and forclosed houses and racist friends and every other GD thing you can think of. Just like the rest of the world.

Just because you bet a few bucks on their horses does not give anybody the right to think they can assail the character of a man who's put his life and soul into the sport.

Boy does the internet make people brave. Not one of you Coach Pants types would have the balls to stand face to face to me, Doug or anyone else and spew your hate. Everyone of the haters should ask themselves how they'ed feel if their lives and livelyhoods were smeared all over the blogs all day everyday. How would they hold up?

I'll keep appreciating the real fan and horse lovers out there. They are the ones who make all the hard work for guys like Doug O'neill worthwhile. For the rest of you.

Well we'll just leave you to yourselves. I can think of no better way to get even.

Vic Stauffer

Very well said Vic

[rpncaine]

Outstanding comments Vic, the Internet does make a lot of people WAY too brave! :tro

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Just because you bet a few bucks on their horses does not give anybody the right to think they can assail the character of a man who's put his life and soul into the sport.

As far as character goes, VIC, are you disputing both of these offenses, or just one? He shouldn't even be in the game anymore. If SOCAL Racing had any interest in "character," he wouldn't be allowed to train here anymore. Now, on this, it's in your best interest to be friends with this twice-caught cheater. Gunna put a good-character bib on Mitchell too? How many more Graded Stakes wins would Ron Ellis have if he didn't have to compete with these cheats?

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...park-detention

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

It comes with the territory, but we all know that going in. jballscalls bashes me daily on his "Beem Me Up" radio show or whatever he's calling it.

I'm just trying to get you back for snapping my pocket aces with 38 offsuit and that other garbage you play!!