What is C BROWN UP TO?

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Takes Silver Timber from the best turf sprint trainer in the country for $20K. The same ST that just couldn't fire in the lane all of last year. Under Brown, ST wipes out the field last out and, today, he duels with the chalk early and draws off in the stake.

Way to go, Chad.

Let me tell you, Chad Brown is the most diligent trainer I have been fortunate to have horses with. He is honest and straight forward. I'm not sure why you claim LR is the best turf sprint trainer in the country. Yes, she has won her share in NY, but having been around both barns, there is no comparison!
Enough said!!

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by turf fan

Let me tell you, Chad Brown is the most diligent trainer I have been fortunate to have horses with. He is honest and straight forward. I'm not sure why you claim LR is the best turf sprint trainer in the country. Yes, she has won her share in NY, but having been around both barns, there is no comparison!
Enough said!!

Your point, then, is that Brown is better with turf sprinters than Rice?

What do you guys think, I spend my days reading the SHEETS and STATS on Formulator?

Where's the outrage when Wolfson is accused of juicing? (Which happens just about every other week here.)

[turf fan]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

Your point, then, is that Brown is better with turf sprinters than Rice?

What do you guys think, I spend my days reading the SHEETS and STATS on Formulator?

Where's the outrage when Wolfson is accused of juicing? (Which happens just about every other week here.)

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by turf fan

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

You're making my point. You improve a horse taken from a specialist, when you're not a specialist in that area, and you're really doing something, wouldn't you think?.

Latest figures I have for the year (not including today) per BRIS:

Brown

105 starters 22% winners

Rice

171 starters 25% winners


Hmmmm

more starters, higher win %

But I'll take your word for it that Brown 'runs a better operation'.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by turf fan

No! My point is CB runs a better operation than LR in my opinion! Check win stats, not turf sprints. CB will be the first to tell you that turf sprints are not his speciality. LR wins with very few starters that are not sprinters. CB wins with all types.

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

[Gaelic Storm]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

Didn't Silver Timber set track record at 5 1/2 on the turf at Saratoga?

[golfer]

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by golfer

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

Thanks for posting this, as I think it gets to the point from another perspective and thus add even more credence to what's being advanced here.

I have charts of this horse's races going back to 8/13/07 at SAR. That's 13 races, including the two under Brown. Prior to its 1st race under Brown, this would be 11 races, this horse had never wiped-out a field. Never come close. Yet, it did so, 1st time Brown. While wipe-outs happen more rarely on turf than do on dirt (especially off tracks), they're even rarer in sprints, as it takes a monster effort to separate from EVERY other horse in the race going a short distance. And yesterday, the ****er ran the following splits:

21.71
22.82
10.67
12.40

Now running 10.67 for the 5F eighth is quite a feat. Don't think I've ever seen that on the BEL turf. (Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here.) But doing so after an initial quarter of 21.71 is pretty remarkable, hard turf and all. I mean, they don't do **** like this on the Cali turf sprinting.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by golfer

Based on the Thorograph figures:

Silver Timber was consistently running 5's and 6's from age 3 to age 5.
In this 6 yr old gelding's first start this year he ran a 5. Was then claimed from Linda Rice, and in his 1st start for Chad Brown, ran a 2. Unless yesterday's course was playing EXTREMELY fast, he improved off that 2. Someone more knowledgeable than I, please tell how normal it is for a 6 yr old to run lifetime best races back to back, after being claimed from a trainer who is far from incompetent (to say the least)?

great job, its not normal at all...I am sure he just change shoes or dentists or something.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by freddymo

What barn # is CB? And what flavor is the Kool Aid? Seriously who doubts the guy is a good horseman? But please understand that medication and its use is responsible for today's G3 win. This is not a good horse, in fact he is a tried and true plain ole race horse. He isn't nor should have he ever been considered a stakes winning animal.

I agree, it was the drugs

[freddymo]

CB wins with all types.

CB medicates all types

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by turf fan

Let me tell you, Chad Brown is the most diligent trainer I have been fortunate to have horses with. He is honest and straight forward. I'm not sure why you claim LR is the best turf sprint trainer in the country. Yes, she has won her share in NY, but having been around both barns, there is no comparison!
Enough said!!

Congrats to Chad Brown he moved up a 20k claimer to a G3 winner. Do you think it was shoes, some chiropractic spinal sheat, gastrogard, or just waiting till the banamine kicked in before the 4f breeze.. Whatever the miracle, perhaps we should contact the Pope to see if this special horse can be cannonized.. St. Silver... HI HO

Fat Man I am with you on this one