Where will Scat Daddy and Quay run next?

Originally Posted by oracle80

Its going to be very interesting to see where these horses show up next and polytrack will hhave an impact on it.
I'm sure that they want the easiest Grade One spot they can find with Scat Daddy so he can be cemented as a sire prospect.
WIth Quay, hes already a sire prospect and has his grade one win.
But the problem is that the Keeneland race that might have been used as a prep for one of them is now conducted on polytrack. I find it unlikely that either owner wants his horse prepping on that stuff for the BC and in Scat daddy's case risking what may be the best chance for a grade one win before they stretch out to two turns.
So other than the Champagne(which is spaced too close to the BC for either horse with only 3 weeks rest between and a trainer who doesnt like running them off 3 weeks rest) which in itself isnt ideal, what does he do with them?
I think he will choose to train CQ up to the race because his pedigree and running style suggest the two turns won't be an issue and that he runs Scat Daddy in the Champagne in order to get him a grade one asap.
Anyone have any scenarios which make more sense?

I'm not so sure that Scat Daddy won't florish around two-turns more so than Circular Quay.....remember, horses with that sort of closing burst around one-turn are usually more 'trick' type horses than anything....most people think, "Well, he'll LOVE the stretchout and added grpund" - and he indeed may, but more so than not, when they can close that strongly from the clouds around one-turn they are 'niche' horses - one-tun closers - and those horses can get two-turns but tend to flatten out in their closing punch....I could see CQ trailing 10 lengths back in his route debut and running evenly all the way around the oval and not making up much ground in the stretch...these types fool people ALL the time...

Keep in mind, his dam - Circle of Life - was best at around 7 panels around one turn...food for thought although I know that he is a Thunder Gulch and bred to run all day on the topside...

Scat Daddy, on the otherhand, looks like a horse who should relish the 1 1/16 miles of the BC Juvy....he is more handy than the other horse and that is why I'm sticking to my guns that he will be better around two-turns with stalking type trips.....we'll see...

Good point about the Grade 1 though....I'm sure Todd wants to try to get a G1 under Scat Daddy's belt ASAP as a 2YO....

To be honest with you, I'd be surprised to see Pletcher run either of these colts at Keeneland over that Polytrack...I realy would because he is a smart trainer and knows that they could react negatively with a bad start over that surface.....I will bet he avoids KEE and runs one of them in the Champagne (I bet he runs Circular Quay) and trains the other one directly up to the BC Juvy, which is what I think he'll do with Scat Daddy....or he may run them together in the Champagne again...who really knows....

[Revolution]

there are other 2yr olds. remember that principle secret, tiz wonderful, nobiz like shobiz, chace city, city snitch and other are going to show up somewhere. there are more than just these 2 2yr olds. i would not go giving either race to these horses.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Revolution

there are other 2yr olds. remember that principle secret, tiz wonderful, nobiz like shobiz, chace city, city snitch and other are going to show up somewhere. there are more than just these 2 2yr olds. i would not go giving either race to these horses.

Chase City wont be showing up soon.

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[quote=Cunningham Racing]I'm not so sure that Scat Daddy won't florish around two-turns more so than Circular Quay.....remember, horses with that sort of closing burst around one-turn are usually more 'trick' type horses than anything....most people think, "Well, he'll LOVE the stretchout and added grpund" - and he indeed may, but more so than not, when they can close that strongly from the clouds around one-turn they are 'niche' horses - one-tun closers - and those horses can get two-turns but tend to flatten out in their closing punch....I could see CQ trailing 10 lengths back in his route debut and running evenly all the way around the oval and not making up much ground in the stretch...these types fool people ALL the time...

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Great Point we were Just talking about this the other day.

Tabor actually loves PolyTrack. He has said it repeatedly. Now I also know that Pletcher doesnt mind running his horses (1st or 2nd string) on the surface either. I have spoken with Pletchers person down at Turfway several times. Now, running CQ on Poly wont have an effect on his value at all. The Lanes End is the best prep for CQ. CQ will come out of the race in good shape and he will actually be a fitter horse.

Scat Daddy should go in the Champagne and the if he performs well then he should get a shot at the BCJ.

[jpops757]

I think he will send Daddy to the Champagne for the gr1 and probably pass the BC to keep them apart for the rest of the year. A lot of you feel that the extra distance plays to Daddy so its logical to pass the BC and get him ready for The ROSES. I disagree. CQ hasnt even been tested yet.He just blows them all away.

I really cannot see Pletcher opting to skip the BC Juvenile with Scat Daddy...I really can't...The only way this horse skips thgat race is if he is injured or not right in some way....

I would train him up to it, and run Circular Quay - an accomplished one-turn closer - in the mile and-a-sixteenth, one-turn Champagne....

Although i'm obviously knowhere qualifieed to make that statement in truth...Pletcher will do the right thing..

[jpops757]

Maybe a beter question . Do they both knock heads at GP or does he ship to FG Oaklawn, Aqu or GPwest {Tampa} with one. Also wondering about some of his others, if he will run them through conditions or jump up to lesser Graded stakes trying to keep them apart. With his depth, it looks like he could have a small string at Oaklawn and or FG for there earlyTC preps.Im thinking it would be beter to train at these tracks than to ship. Im sure Assmusen will have a string at all three.

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i'm with euro and pletcher on this one. CQ in Lanes End, SD in Champagne. CQ is bred heavy on Northern Dancer 3 crosses, Raise A Native 3 crosses, and Native Dancer 6 crosses. This is not a sound breeding and maybe he is showing the bad effects of it allready. Thus the race on poly to save him some wear and tear.

Originally Posted by jpops757

Maybe a beter question . Do they both knock heads at GP or does he ship to FG Oaklawn, Aqu or GPwest {Tampa} with one. Also wondering about some of his others, if he will run them through conditions or jump up to lesser Graded stakes trying to keep them apart. With his depth, it looks like he could have a small string at Oaklawn and or FG for there earlyTC preps.Im thinking it would be beter to train at these tracks than to ship. Im sure Assmusen will have a string at all three.

Steve will be back in New Orleans this winter - not Gulfstream....he loves the FG training surface and believes it to be paramount to the success of his operation to keep his horses sound and allow them to alleviate their soreness and freshen up for a campaign the next year...

He'll have his first string at FG and just ship in to GP for races....he also likes FG because it is a short commute down I-10 to Houston, where he starts all of his babies in the winter fresh off of his dad's farm at El Premiero in El Paso, TX to get them ready for Keeneland in April....

Originally Posted by jpops757

I think he will send Daddy to the Champagne for the gr1 and probably pass the BC to keep them apart for the rest of the year. A lot of you feel that the extra distance plays to Daddy so its logical to pass the BC and get him ready for The ROSES. I disagree. CQ hasnt even been tested yet.He just blows them all away.

One of the biggest mis-conceptions in racing is assuming that when a horse closes at a distance of a mile or less, then that horse is going to love added distance. This is certainly not the case. I am not saying that Quay wont like the added distance, but to assume a horse will like longer distance just because he/she can close in sprint races is not good handicapping.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

One of the biggest mis-conceptions in racing is assuming that when a horse closes at a distance of a mile or less, then that horse is going to love added distance. This is certainly not the case. I am not saying that Quay wont like the added distance, but to assume a horse will like longer distance just because he/she can close in sprint races is not good handicapping.

Hes not really a closer. He lopes along and then hits you with a tremendous burst.
Most closers are defined as types who grind away by running even 1/4's.
Also, the pace of hsi most recent race was a large reason why he was so far behind(being a complete goofball is another).
His running style is exactly the style that strikes me as that of a horse who will be more effective the farther that they go.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Hes not really a closer. He lopes along and then hits you with a tremendous burst.
Most closers are defined as types who grind away by running even 1/4's.
Also, the pace of hsi most recent race was a large reason why he was so far behind(being a complete goofball is another).
His running style is exactly the style that strikes me as that of a horse who will be more effective the farther that they go.

I couldnt agree more.