Who thinks...

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Who thinks the current administration has done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

I don't. I believe they've encouraged muslims to follow the extremist line of thinking.

Ummm ... Pillow ... or should I call you Mr. Pants? ... do you remember the Sherlock Holmes story "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" ... where the solution hinged on a dog that didn't bark?

Well ... what we've had for the past five years ... are terrorists who couldn't strike. They want to ... they really want to murder all of us ... but they haven't ... because they've been stopped.

Has the Bush administration done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

No ... they've done a PERFECT job ... zero terrorist attacks on Americans ... for five years ... and counting. Is it possible to do better than that?

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Ummm ... Pillow ... or should I call you Mr. Pants? ... do you remember the Sherlock Holmes story "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" ... where the solution hinged on a dog that didn't bark?

Well ... what we've had for the past five years ... are terrorists who couldn't strike. They want to ... they really want to murder all of us ... but they haven't ... because they've been stopped.

Has the Bush administration done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

No ... they've done a PERFECT job ... zero terrorist attacks on Americans ... for five years ... and counting. Is it possible to do better than that?

Yeah nevermind the July 4th, 2002 murder of two Israelis at LAX by an egyptian gunman. That doesn't count because they weren't american.

Keep up the good work! America **** yeah!!

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah nevermind the July 4th, 2002 murder of two Israelis at LAX by an egyptian gunman. That doesn't count because they weren't american.

Keep up the good work! America **** yeah!!

There's a world of difference between common murder by a lone criminal ... and acts of terrorism by organized groups.

The police will never be able to stop crazed drug addicts from murdering their girlfriends ... it's just a tragic flaw of human nature.

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

There's a world of difference between common murder by a lone criminal ... and acts of terrorism by organized groups.

The police will never be able to stop crazed drug addicts from murdering their girlfriends ... it's just a tragic flaw of human nature.

Oh so he's just a regular criminal now? You win. What's the point in trying to prove otherwise?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Ummm ... Pillow ... or should I call you Mr. Pants? ... do you remember the Sherlock Holmes story "The Hound Of The Baskervilles" ... where the solution hinged on a dog that didn't bark?

Well ... what we've had for the past five years ... are terrorists who couldn't strike. They want to ... they really want to murder all of us ... but they haven't ... because they've been stopped.

Has the Bush administration done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

No ... they've done a PERFECT job ... zero terrorist attacks on Americans ... for five years ... and counting. Is it possible to do better than that?

The problem BB isn't on the home front, the problem is that we've gained little abroad. I agree that we've opened a very large can of whoop-as-s on Al Queda and greatly reduced their ability to carry out covert operations in America but back to my statements about evil....while we are making their lives a living hell, we are doing little to address the recruitment of new terrorists. There has to be a game plan and it has to be long term and public! We must demand greater freedom for the disadvantaged folks of the region...once they start to have a little hope and see that it was the US who went public and tightened the screws on their leaders, it will be harder to convince them that blowing up schools or crashing planes will make their peoples' lives better. The terrorists of today must be destroyed...not compromised with or reasoned with...destroyed! But at the same time, we must stop the influx of young hopeless folks into their ranks...you don't do that by occupying Iraq or laying in bed with certain Arab despots!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

The problem BB isn't on the home front, the problem is that we've gained little abroad. I agree that we've opened a very large can of whoop-as-s on Al Queda and greatly reduced their ability to carry out covert operations in America but back to my statements about evil....while we are making their lives a living hell, we are doing little to address the recruitment of new terrorists. There has to be a game plan and it has to be long term and public! We must demand greater freedom for the disadvantaged folks of the region...once they start to have a little hope and see that it was the US who went public and tightened the screws on their leaders, it will be harder to convince them that blowing up schools or crashing planes will make their peoples' lives better. The terrorists of today must be destroyed...not compromised with or reasoned with...destroyed! But at the same time, we must stop the influx of young hopeless folks into their ranks...you don't do that by occupying Iraq or laying in bed with certain Arab despots!

Sure ... everything you write is correct ...

... and what better way is there to provide hope for a better life to anyone ... anywhere ... than to promote democracy and capitalism?

Do you know something better than that?

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Sure ... everything you write is correct ...

... and what better way is there to provide hope for a better life to anyone ... anywhere ... than to promote democracy and capitalism?

Do you know something better than that?

Yes, like the one we promote in Saudi Arabia. Or the one we promoted in Congo. Right BB? lol

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Yes, like the one we promote in Saudi Arabia. Or the one we promoted in Congo. Right BB? lol

Or the ones we promoted in Germany, Japan, Italy, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria, Georgia, Armenia, Turkey, Mongolia, Taiwan, South Korea, The Phillipines, Nicagargua, El Salvador, Chile, Grenada, Slovenia, Croatia, Greece, Macedonia, Israel, Spain, South Africa ... ?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Sure ... everything you write is correct ...

... and what better way is there to provide hope for a better life to anyone ... anywhere ... than to promote democracy and capitalism?

Do you know something better than that?

I agree about democracy but capitalism has it's flaws...again, I go back to the distribution of wealth...it won't help the poor folks if we substitute some Arab despot for their version of Bill Gates. While they'll be able to vote and have at least a chance to better their standard of living while not living in fear of the knock on the door, the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" will someday have to narrow if we are all to live togther on one planet!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I agree about democracy but capitalism has it's flaws...again, I go back to the distribution of wealth...it won't help the poor folks if we substitute some Arab despot for their version of Bill Gates.

Say what?

"We" didn't create Bill Gates ... he created himself ... and governments of capitalist economies don't assign success or failure to anyone.

Bill Gates directly created tens of thousands of jobs ... and indirectly created millions more.

Yeah ... I think having a Bill Gates ... lots of them in fact ... might help the "poor folks" ... don't you?

Originally Posted by somerfrost

... the gap between the "haves" and "have nots" will someday have to narrow if we are all to live togther on one planet!

Sorry ... but that's nonsense ...

... as long as I'm content with what I have .. why should I care what others have?

Nothing provides general contentment like the wealth generated by the efficiency of free-market capitalist economies.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Brooklynite

Sorry ... but that's nonsense ...

... as long as I'm content with what I have .. why should I care what others have?

Nothing provides general contentment like the wealth generated by the efficiency of free-market capitalist economies.

When you have nothing you tend to care! This revisiting of trickle-down won't cut it. I actually like Bill Gates, seems like a good guy who donates billions to charity and certainly has created jobs...but who needs a hundred billion dollars? Answer...the poor folks who exist in the "other America". Sorry but we will never have peace until everybody gets some degree of hope. And that goes for the "third world" as well...when we actually give a damn about a starving child in some country that doesn't promote our "national interest" and when we care about AIDS destroying entire cultures, then maybe the world will feel differently about us!

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Answer...the poor folks who exist in the "other America". Sorry but we will never have peace until everybody gets some degree of hope.

I hesitate to tell you this ... because you're not gonna believe it but ...

... there are no "poor" people in the United States today ... excepting a small percentage of the small percentage who have disabling physical or mental handicaps.

No one is poor who has indoor plumbing, sanitary water, electricity, wholesome food, adequate shelter, warm clothing, access to impartial justice, access to advanced medical care, access to education, access to libraries, police protection, fire protection, and the right to vote ... all of which virtually 100% of Americans have.

Not to mention such luxuries as refrigerators, radios, telephones, and televisions which nearly all Americans have ... and bicycles, automobiles, and computers which overwhelming percentages have. Over 70% ... and rising ... of all Americans own the dwelling unit in which they live ... something unprecedented in human history.

You may know where there's an "other" America ... but it doesn't currently exist on the North American continent.