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Old 09-13-2006, 12:53 PM
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Who thinks the current administration has done an excellent job of stopping terrorism?

I don't. I believe they've encouraged muslims to follow the extremist line of thinking.


Bush has dropped the ball, I agree! Clinton and all other Presidents failed before him as well! I don't like the argument that to do anything only increases the number of folks that don't like us and are willing to strap bombs to their chests...I think you have to realize that it takes more than simple hatred to make a "good terrorist" (talk about an oxymoron)...you first must have a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness brought about by generations of poverty and ruthless rule of the powers that be, then you need the religious radicalism that gives those folks hope, if not in this world then the next, and finally...you project all the justifiable anger toward the intended target (that would be us or the Israelis). I realize that the leaders are usually highly educated and often come from filthy rich families...but they don't walk into schools and shopping centers with bombs on their chest!
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:03 PM
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Bush has dropped the ball, I agree! Clinton and all other Presidents failed before him as well! I don't like the argument that to do anything only increases the number of folks that don't like us and are willing to strap bombs to their chests...I think you have to realize that it takes more than simple hatred to make a "good terrorist" (talk about an oxymoron)...you first must have a feeling of hopelessness and helplessness brought about by generations of poverty and ruthless rule of the powers that be, then you need the religious radicalism that gives those folks hope, if not in this world then the next, and finally...you project all the justifiable anger toward the intended target (that would be us or the Israelis). I realize that the leaders are usually highly educated and often come from filthy rich families...but they don't walk into schools and shopping centers with bombs on their chest!
Here's a tidbit of info that pisses me off about the Clinton administration and the current one...

Richard Clarke produced a strategy paper, presented to Clinton, Sandy Berger and other national security principals on December 20th, 2000, which laid out the following:

Break up al-Qaeda cells and arrest their personnel; systematically attack financial support for terrorist activities; freeze its assets; stop its funding through fake charities; give aid to governments having trouble with al-Qaeda ; scale up covert action in Afghanistan to eliminate the training camps and kill bin Laden himself; build support for the Northern Alliance and put Special Forces on the ground in Afghanistan.

This plan was not implemented, as a senior Cinton aide told Time Magazine, because if it were, Clinton would basically be handing the Bush administration a war when they took office one month later. Instead, they gave the plan to the Bush administration, with Sandy Berger arranging no less than ten full briefings to Condi Rice. The plan was not picked up until post September 11th, 2001, at which point pretty much all of it became national strategy, along with the foundation of the Department of Homeland Security, as per legislation authored by Democratic Senators Lieberman and Cleland some nine months earlier. Of course, Cleland didn't vote for the new Homeland Security department when it was tabled because it came with the provision that the new department's employees were to be stripped of civil service protection. This meant that when he ran against Saxby Chambliss in 2002, Chambliss ran ads claiming Cleland didn't care about national security and promptly beat him.

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**** like that is why I have little faith in our government. They talk a big game, but halfass everything.
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