Manny Robbed

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I would have more respect if he would have stayed there and jawed with the ump and get tossed that way. Instead of just doing something stupid with a 5 run lead. It almost looks like he wanted to spend the rest of the night in the clubhouse. But,why not a 5-0 lead in Citi field these days is insurmountable. But it was still a stupid/busch move.

He knew he was coming out of the game(Torre was gunna take him out soon.) That was a contributing factor. He takes pride in getting a hit when guys are in scoring position. He knows the strike zone quite well. He knew he got robbed of a chance to get a few more runs(and our 2 fatgirl allstars did team up to blow the 5 run lead in the 9th on Sunday in San Diego)

[Gander]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He knew he was coming out of the game(Torre was gunna take him out soon.) That was a contributing factor. He takes pride in getting a hit when guys are in scoring position. He knows the strike zone quite well. He knew he got robbed of a chance to get a few more runs(and our 2 fatgirl allstars did team up to blow the 5 run lead in the 9th on Sunday in San Diego)

Manny is probably the best hitter ever with guys in scoring position, especially in close games that mean something. I watched him enough in Boston to know hes the 2nd best player in the game today (behind Albert Pujols) but also one of the most selfish whos ever played. He knew he was coming out and so did Torre, but theres no reason to act like that, especially in someone elses ballpark. Torre is a great coach but he doesnt treat Manny like the other players. I guess when you are that good, you have different sets of rules and different conduct expectations. But Albert Pujols apparently missed the memo that went out.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Gander

Manny is probably the best hitter ever with guys in scoring position, especially in close games that mean something. I watched him enough in Boston to know hes the 2nd best player in the game today (behind Albert Pujols) but also one of the most selfish whos ever played. He knew he was coming out and so did Torre, but theres no reason to act like that, especially in someone elses ballpark. Torre is a great coach but he doesnt treat Manny like the other players. I guess when you are that good, you have different sets of rules and different conduct expectations. But Albert Pujols apparently missed the memo that went out.

At this point, it's(Pujols versus Manny) like comparing apples to oranges. If it was Pujols, this pitch would never have been called a strike. This guy just wanted to be able to call Manny out (looking.) Now, there's a 5 run lead, and Manny is already coming out soon. So, you're saying for Manny to ignore the fact that the guy had it in for him? I prefer it the way it happened. Manny never did anything dangerous. He threw things up high in the air. Never threw anything at anyone. The important thing is that the pitch got looked at all night by baseball people around the country. They all know this guy called a ball(OBVIOUSLY) a 3rd strike. Maybe other umps will keep their bias under raps now(cuz this guy didn't get away with it.)

[SCUDSBROTHER]

5 home runs in Milwaukee....We can hit bad pitching. Just can't hit that fkn junk-throwing Cole Hamels etc.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

At this point, it's(Pujols versus Manny) like comparing apples to oranges. If it was Pujols, this pitch would never have been called a strike. This guy just wanted to be able to call Manny out (looking.) Now, there's a 5 run lead, and Manny is already coming out soon. So, you're saying for Manny to ignore the fact that the guy had it in for him? I prefer it the way it happened. Manny never did anything dangerous. He threw things up high in the air. Never threw anything at anyone. The important thing is that the pitch got looked at all night by baseball people around the country. They all know this guy called a ball(OBVIOUSLY) a 3rd strike. Maybe other umps will keep their bias under raps now(cuz this guy didn't get away with it.)

That was a joke. That pitch was definitely a few inches outside. Over the years when they have used some of the really good camera angles in slow motion, I've seen some strikes called that were even worse. Some of these umpires call strikes on pitches that are literally 6 inches outside. Some of the really good pitchers would consistently get these calls. They would throw a slider that was never over the plate at any time, a pitch that started about two inches outside and ended up 5-6 inches outside and they would call it a strike. It would drive me crazy. It would make it almost impossible for a team to score any runs if the umpire is going to call those pitches strikes.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That was a joke. That pitch was definitely a few inches outside. Over the years when they have used some of the really good camera angles in slow motion, I've seen some strikes called that were even worse. Some of these umpires call strikes on pitches that are literally 6 inches outside. Some of the really good pitchers would consistently get these calls. They would throw a slider that was never over the plate at any time, a pitch that started about two inches outside and ended up 5-6 inches outside and they would call it a strike. It would drive me crazy. It would make it almost impossible for a team to score any runs if the umpire is going to call those pitches strikes.

That's why baseball is the easiest game to 'fix' and the worst sport to bet on.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

That's why baseball is the easiest game to 'fix' and the worst sport to bet on.

Baseball is a great sport to bet on. You just have to have patience, an understanding of odds, a willingness to bet against favs and a clue.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

That was a joke. That pitch was definitely a few inches outside. Over the years when they have used some of the really good camera angles in slow motion, I've seen some strikes called that were even worse. Some of these umpires call strikes on pitches that are literally 6 inches outside. Some of the really good pitchers would consistently get these calls. They would throw a slider that was never over the plate at any time, a pitch that started about two inches outside and ended up 5-6 inches outside and they would call it a strike. It would drive me crazy. It would make it almost impossible for a team to score any runs if the umpire is going to call those pitches strikes.

There are about 300 pitches throw a game. An ump missing a few still makes him 99% right.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are about 300 pitches throw a game. An ump missing a few still makes him 99% right.

3rd strike, and 4th ball...Those pitch calls are a bit more important.

This was an unusually bad strike 3 call(Like 999/1000 fans at home would have been surprised to see it called a strike.) Eric Gregg-style strike. Cannon, you are(at best) minorly disturbed. An example of majorly disturbed would be whatever that crap is that NOMAR can't stop doing.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are about 300 pitches throw a game. An ump missing a few still makes him 99% right.

I think it can be alot worse than that. When it comes to "safe" or "out" calls, I agree with you that they are probably right at least 99% of the time. But when it comes to "balls" and "strikes", I've seen games where they are calling strikes on outside pitches the entire game. You don't have a great view from the head-on angle, but when they show that overhead camera, you can see exactly how far outside the pitches are. I've seen games where they probably made 40 bad strike calls.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think it can be alot worse than that. When it comes to "safe" or "out" calls, I agree with you that they are probably right at least 99% of the time. But when it comes to "balls" and "strikes", I've seen games where they are calling strikes on outside pitches the entire game. You don't have a great view from the head-on angle, but when they show that overhead camera, you can see exactly how far outside the pitches are. I've seen games where they probably made 40 bad strike calls.

If they are consistent, no one is complaining. All umps have different strike zones..right or wrong. It's when they vary between innings that guys get tossed.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

At this point, it's(Pujols versus Manny) like comparing apples to oranges. If it was Pujols, this pitch would never have been called a strike. This guy just wanted to be able to call Manny out (looking.) Now, there's a 5 run lead, and Manny is already coming out soon. So, you're saying for Manny to ignore the fact that the guy had it in for him? I prefer it the way it happened. Manny never did anything dangerous. He threw things up high in the air. Never threw anything at anyone. The important thing is that the pitch got looked at all night by baseball people around the country. They all know this guy called a ball(OBVIOUSLY) a 3rd strike. Maybe other umps will keep their bias under raps now(cuz this guy didn't get away with it.)

Manny is a great hitter but not the 2nd best player.