Bo Rail gets the boot on Mine that Bird

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

That is usually a race dominated near the front end, mountaineer is one of the more speed biased tracks in the country, I actually find it a not very well thought out decision to run there.

Three of the last four winners have won from well off the pace. It all depends on if there's any speed, but Mnr is not as notoriously speed-favoring as Monmouth.

The purse is gigantic and the field is likely to be soft. That goes into the decision just as much as whether it fits his style.

NT

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Three of the last four winners have won from well off the pace. It all depends on if there's any speed, but Mnr is not as notoriously speed-favoring as Monmouth.

The purse is gigantic and the field is likely to be soft. That goes into the decision just as much as whether it fits his style.

NT

yes, its usually a weaker than the Haskell.

I guess it makes sense, the owners have a gelding and so its a money grab type move, and lets face it they are not Sheiks.

I actually have seen numbers that show Mntr as the 3rd most speed biased track in the country. I dont play there enough to know but trust where I got the numbers. Maybe different at night than day?

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

yes, its usually a weaker than the Haskell.

I guess it makes sense, the owners have a gelding and so its a money grab type move, and lets face it they are not Sheiks.

I actually have seen numbers that show Mntr as the 3rd most speed biased track in the country. I dont play there enough to know but trust where I got the numbers. Maybe different at night than day?

The big problem which probably makes Mountaineer seem to be such a speed biased track is the regularity with which horses drop in class who have speed. You see shippers from major tracks usually ship in dropping in class show up for Maiden 15K, Maiden 10K, and Maiden 5K there that are simply faster than the horses that are currently running for those tags at Mountaineer. You also see examples of horses since Mountaineer has many different class levels of 5K claimers such as 5K NW2L, 5K NW3L, 5K, NW4L, 5K NW1Y, 5K NW2Y, 5K NW3Y, 5K Open with a progression to Starter 5K Races, horses that are dropping in class from any of those levels to the next level down or anything below that have any pace at all are usually faster than their pace rivals and outpace them and make the track appear to be speed biased.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

The big problem which probably makes Mountaineer seem to be such a speed biased track is the regularity with which horses drop in class who have speed. You see shippers from major tracks usually ship in dropping in class show up for Maiden 15K, Maiden 10K, and Maiden 5K there that are simply faster than the horses that are currently running for those tags at Mountaineer. You also see examples of horses since Mountaineer has many different class levels of 5K claimers such as 5K NW2L, 5K NW3L, 5K, NW4L, 5K NW1Y, 5K NW2Y, 5K NW3Y, 5K Open with a progression to Starter 5K Races, horses that are dropping in class from any of those levels to the next level down or anything below that have any pace at all are usually faster than their pace rivals and outpace them and make the track appear to be speed biased.

solid, that makes some sense, the numbers I have seen to not take the issues you raised.