conflict of interest

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

sure there could be. Grunder is a jockeys agent. Guy at Portland Meadows used to be a jockeys agent for his wife who was leading rider. I was told I could have been an agent at either track i worked out by the stewards.

Vic isn't the first, and surely wont be the last

I would never be able to get up that early everyday.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I would never be able to get up that early everyday.

you ain't kidding man!! If i was your agent, would it be a conflict of interests if i bet on races at Lad?

Sickening. You clearly don't understand the basic aspects of business ethics and you have the audacity to make light of the situation.

[Honu]

I won two races on Luke Krutybocsh's horse at Turf Paradise , first time he won he equaled the track record at the about distance for a mile and a half and the next time he set the course record at the same distance. Listening to the call , Luke was really loud at the end , is that showing a conflict of intrest?

Originally Posted by Honu

I won two races on Luke Krutybocsh's horse at Turf Paradise , first time he won he equaled the track record at the about distance for a mile and a half and the next time he set the course record at the same distance. Listening to the call , Luke was really loud at the end , is that showing a conflict of intrest?

Yes.

Next.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Yes.

Next.

LOL

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Sickening. You clearly don't understand the basic aspects of business ethics and you have the audacity to make light of the situation.

having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.

[Honu]

For the record 99.9% of the time a jockey cannot hear the announcers call during a race at all.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Honu

For the record 99.9% of the time a jockey cannot hear the announcers call during a race at all.

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

its funny, I love people who just throw statistics out there and have no source at all to back them up other than "its what I heard". 99.9%, I laughed at least.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

somebody special has fischer on ignore...

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

For the record, this is completely irrelevent to this conversation.

About 3 pages ago, someone asked that question.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Honu

For the record 99.9% of the time a jockey cannot hear the announcers call during a race at all.

whos record?

[Honu]

QUOTE=Bobby Fischer]having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.[/quote]






There jezus H crist , I didnt bring it up , someone else did .

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.

gossard, I am with you on calling the posting stewards...can we get a 7 day suspension or something for nonsense like this...

It's very possible for Stauffer to cross the line as an announcer. I am not saying he has blatantly done it or that he ever will, however, the potential is there for him to cross the line. As fans and patrons of this sport, we are expecting a neutral call of the races each day. Vic, having an interest in how Joel Rosario performs, certainly can be compromised in his role as track announcer. He needs to accurately call the race, and there definately is the potential in say a race like the 750K Hollywood Gold Cup, and let's say that Rosario is riding a horse who is head and head for the lead in the stretch with another horse, and there is bumping going on, or should Rosario's horse be potentially interfered with, and as I said, it's not about whether Vic has done or if he would do it because as a professional, I would hope that would not even be an issue, but don't tell me that there isn't the potential to embellish a call to the way of his jock in a big race, because let's say Rosario wins the Hollywood Gold Cup, winning horse gets 420K, Rosario gets 10% which is 42K, and if the jock agent gets let's say 10%, that's 4.2K for Vic. If Rosario comes in 2nd he gets 140K, Rosario gets 14K, and Vic gets 1.4K...you can't tell me that's not a big issue. No one is making allegations, just that there's clearly the potential for acts to occur because of the conflict of interest because of the positions that Vic holds.

[-BT-]

now it all makes sense, had no clue vic and joel were connected like that.

for the record i voted "yes"

vic is a great announcer, joel is a great jock. But i've never seen/heard a jock get so much pub. each and every ride he has from an announcer. it makes perfect sense that he's his agent now.

-bt-

Originally Posted by -BT-

now it all makes sense, had no clue vic and joel were connected like that.

for the record i voted "yes"

vic is a great announcer, joel is a great jock. But i've never seen/heard a jock get so much pub. each and every ride he has from an announcer. it makes perfect sense that he's his agent now.

-bt-

" So much pub each and every ride" !
Are you high? I've had Joel 7 months and until this past Saturday I've NEVER ONCE said one word about him either during or after a race call. That was the request of my bosses at Hollywood Park and I adhered to it.