conflict of interest

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by GBBob

It's a track announcer that doesn't influence anything other than how a race is called. Horses can't understand humans last I heard and jocks, at best, hear a race call in the last furlong and if anyone thinks they are really listening at that point..well..

I have no interest in or have ever met Stauffer, Rosario or for that matter, anyone who is really involved here, but there is a serious hard on for Vic that I don't get. As someone told me yesterday, listening to Durkin sob as Birdstone sweeps by to win the Belmont was far more offensive and insulting to the connections of Birdstone than anything that Stauffer is accused of.

Bob while I really could give a flying fcuk about the whole topic. One thing is 100% true, there is ZERO chance a race caller will ever be an active agent again. Vic is only allowed to do this because his track is closing and his direct reports dont give a fcuk either. No how no way would Vic's practice be allowed to continue in any other jurisdiction. But again who care!!!

Vic could have ended this thread with one simple line. Pete, I will listen to the call again and see if I did much wrong. I certainly wasnt trying to be partial but maybe I did? I will have my direct reports listen and get back to youif need be.. Thx for listening Vic(end of thread and hats off to Vic).. instead Victoria came for dinner which created all the fun..

Originally Posted by freddymo

Vic is only allowed to do this because his track is closing

So when V became Rosario's agent,
Vic and other track employees had already been told the track was closing?
He was only allowed to become Rosario's agent because
track officials told him the track was closing and so its OK?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bob while I really could give a flying fcuk about the whole topic. One thing is 100% true, there is ZERO chance a race caller will ever be an active agent again. Vic is only allowed to do this because his track is closing and his direct reports dont give a fcuk either. No how no way would Vic's practice be allowed to continue in any other jurisdiction. But again who care!!!

Vic could have ended this thread with one simple line. Pete, I will listen to the call again and see if I did much wrong. I certainly wasnt trying to be partial but maybe I did? I will have my direct reports listen and get back to youif need be.. Thx for listening Vic(end of thread and hats off to Vic).. instead Victoria came for dinner which created all the fun..

That's how 99% of professional people would handle it. I guess Vic falls in that 1%.

In the end Hollywood is closing soon and I don't believe that Rosario is riding at Santa Rosa......so there probably won't be anymore controversy in the future.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Bob while I really could give a flying fcuk about the whole topic. One thing is 100% true, there is ZERO chance a race caller will ever be an active agent again. Vic is only allowed to do this because his track is closing and his direct reports dont give a fcuk either. No how no way would Vic's practice be allowed to continue in any other jurisdiction. But again who care!!!

Vic could have ended this thread with one simple line. Pete, I will listen to the call again and see if I did much wrong. I certainly wasnt trying to be partial but maybe I did? I will have my direct reports listen and get back to youif need be.. Thx for listening Vic(end of thread and hats off to Vic).. instead Victoria came for dinner which created all the fun..

sure there could be. Grunder is a jockeys agent. Guy at Portland Meadows used to be a jockeys agent for his wife who was leading rider. I was told I could have been an agent at either track i worked out by the stewards.

Vic isn't the first, and surely wont be the last

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

sure there could be. Grunder is a jockeys agent. Guy at Portland Meadows used to be a jockeys agent for his wife who was leading rider. I was told I could have been an agent at either track i worked out by the stewards.

Vic isn't the first, and surely wont be the last

I would never be able to get up that early everyday.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I would never be able to get up that early everyday.

you ain't kidding man!! If i was your agent, would it be a conflict of interests if i bet on races at Lad?

Sickening. You clearly don't understand the basic aspects of business ethics and you have the audacity to make light of the situation.

[Honu]

I won two races on Luke Krutybocsh's horse at Turf Paradise , first time he won he equaled the track record at the about distance for a mile and a half and the next time he set the course record at the same distance. Listening to the call , Luke was really loud at the end , is that showing a conflict of intrest?

Originally Posted by Honu

I won two races on Luke Krutybocsh's horse at Turf Paradise , first time he won he equaled the track record at the about distance for a mile and a half and the next time he set the course record at the same distance. Listening to the call , Luke was really loud at the end , is that showing a conflict of intrest?

Yes.

Next.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Sickening. You clearly don't understand the basic aspects of business ethics and you have the audacity to make light of the situation.

having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.

[Honu]

For the record 99.9% of the time a jockey cannot hear the announcers call during a race at all.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

having multiple roles does not constitute a "conflict of roles" in a vacuum.

It has to be "possible" for improper acts to occur.

i'm not picking a sidde one way or the other (aside from bashing SG's ridiculous post in that other thread), but in order to make allegations like this, a legal definition of the ACTS themselves has to be formulated.

PROMOTING HIS JOCKEY WHILE ANNOUNCING

WARNING/ADVISING HIS JOCKEY DURING THE RACE

those are just 2 that i could come up with feel free to add more. Then you have to prove that they are at least possible and significant acts.

IF they aren't possible and significant then there is no case whatsoever.

gossard, I am with you on calling the posting stewards...can we get a 7 day suspension or something for nonsense like this...

It's very possible for Stauffer to cross the line as an announcer. I am not saying he has blatantly done it or that he ever will, however, the potential is there for him to cross the line. As fans and patrons of this sport, we are expecting a neutral call of the races each day. Vic, having an interest in how Joel Rosario performs, certainly can be compromised in his role as track announcer. He needs to accurately call the race, and there definately is the potential in say a race like the 750K Hollywood Gold Cup, and let's say that Rosario is riding a horse who is head and head for the lead in the stretch with another horse, and there is bumping going on, or should Rosario's horse be potentially interfered with, and as I said, it's not about whether Vic has done or if he would do it because as a professional, I would hope that would not even be an issue, but don't tell me that there isn't the potential to embellish a call to the way of his jock in a big race, because let's say Rosario wins the Hollywood Gold Cup, winning horse gets 420K, Rosario gets 10% which is 42K, and if the jock agent gets let's say 10%, that's 4.2K for Vic. If Rosario comes in 2nd he gets 140K, Rosario gets 14K, and Vic gets 1.4K...you can't tell me that's not a big issue. No one is making allegations, just that there's clearly the potential for acts to occur because of the conflict of interest because of the positions that Vic holds.