conflict of interest

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I say no. Watch any baseball game and the team has its own set of biased announcers. Until his call is impacting the results of the race I couldn't care less if the announcer has a dog in the fight.

Name an announcer who is an agent.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Name an announcer who is an agent.

Why would that make a difference? The announcer can't impact the results of the race so why would I care what other job the announcer has. This is silly, this is a sport where the owners, trainers, and jockeys are fully allowed to bet AGAINST their own horses. If we want to talk about conflict of interest isn't that the big one?

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Why would that make a difference? The announcer can't impact the results of the race so why would I care what other job the announcer has. This is silly, this is a sport where the owners, trainers, and jockeys are fully allowed to bet AGAINST their own horses. If we want to talk about conflict of interest isn't that the big one?

That's news to me.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

That's news to me.

What is possibly stopping them?

[cmorioles]

Jockeys are certainly not legally allowed to bet against the horses they are riding. I believe owners and trainers can bet whoever they want.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Jockeys are certainly not legally allowed to bet against the horses they are riding. I believe owners and trainers can bet whoever they want.

that never happens

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

What is possibly stopping them?

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/policies_and_...ules6-2006.pdf

"1971. Wagering by Jockey or Driver.

"No jockeys or drivers shall make any wagers, or have any wagers made in their behalf, in any race in which they participate, except through the owners or trainers on the horses which they ride or drive.
Any owners or trainers wagering for such jockeys or drivers shall maintain records of all such wagers and all other presents or other gratuities given any jockeys or drivers. Such records will be furnished to the stewards or the Board or its investigators upon demand.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

http://www.chrb.ca.gov/policies_and_...ules6-2006.pdf

"1971. Wagering by Jockey or Driver.

"No jockeys or drivers shall make any wagers, or have any wagers made in their behalf, in any race in which they participate, except through the owners or trainers on the horses which they ride or drive.
Any owners or trainers wagering for such jockeys or drivers shall maintain records of all such wagers and all other presents or other gratuities given any jockeys or drivers. Such records will be furnished to the stewards or the Board or its investigators upon demand.

OK, so the jockey has to do it through the owner and trainer. Still you don't think that a trainer can legally bet against his horse isn't a bigger conflict of interest than an announcer also being an agent?

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

OK, so the jockey has to do it through the owner and trainer. Still you don't think that a trainer can legally bet against his horse isn't a bigger conflict of interest than an announcer also being an agent?

No because they are gambling.

Vic's getting a set amount of money for calling the races AND a set percentage for each of Rosario's rides with a sliding scale depending on placing. There is no gamble.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Name an announcer who is an agent.

I'm almost positive that Richard Grunder has Willie Martinez's book in Tampa. Bigs can verify.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Conflict of Interest? Would an example of that be when threads about certain people get closed, and threads about others don't get closed?

[Zaf]

Wow,

Quite a day for Vic & Joel

So far...


71% NO

[JerseyJ]

Conflict of Interest by definition: A conflict of interest occurs when an individual or organization (such as a policeman, lawyer, insurance adjuster, politician, engineer, executive, director of a corporation, medical research scientist, physician, writer, editor, or any other entrusted individual or organization) has an interest that might compromise their actions. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety.

Vic Stauffer-Track Announcer at Hollywood Park.
Joel Rosario-Jockey at Hollywood Park.
Vic Stauffer-Jockey Agent for Joel Rosario at Hollywood Park.

I believe that his interest in Joel Rosario's performance has the potential to compromise his actions as Hollywood Park Track Announcer. Clear as day to me. But it looks like the 44 No voters are smarter than us 18 yes voters and defy the logic of what a Conflict of Interest is.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Conflict of Interest by definition: A conflict of interest occurs when an individual or organization (such as a policeman, lawyer, insurance adjuster, politician, engineer, executive, director of a corporation, medical research scientist, physician, writer, editor, or any other entrusted individual or organization) has an interest that might compromise their actions. The presence of a conflict of interest is independent from the execution of impropriety.

Vic Stauffer-Track Announcer at Hollywood Park.
Joel Rosario-Jockey at Hollywood Park.
Vic Stauffer-Jockey Agent for Joel Rosario at Hollywood Park.

I believe that his interest in Joel Rosario's performance has the potential to compromise his actions as Hollywood Park Track Announcer. Clear as day to me. But it looks like the 44 No voters are smarter than us 18 yes voters and defy the logic of what a Conflict of Interest is.

You need to give it a rest.

[jrajf]

I don't know if the jockeys can hear the race call or not but couldnt he provide helpful information regarding splits or other competitors on the move and where they are on the track?

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by jrajf

I don't know if the jockeys can hear the race call or not but couldnt he provide helpful information regarding splits or other competitors on the move and where they are on the track?

They can hear. Riders have told me about how they would hear Trevor announcing a horse making a move from behind them. That's when the track would have lots of people. With the couple of hundred or thousand they have now, I'm sure they can hear the race call. How much that influences their decisions is something else. Now this is where I could see there being a problem.