Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[jballscalls]

This has been a very interesting thread. I side with Vic for numerous reasons, mainly i don't think he did anything wrong in the call, he reported what happened. second of all, if some anonymous guy on an internet board who you don't know criticises your work, it's tough to take them serious, because you don't know them, their background, or anything about them.

Also, i've never heard Vic once say Joel's name in a racecall or give him props in the call, whereas countless times i've heard him say "a brilliant ride by David Flores, or smokin Joe, or anyone else"

I guess I just don't understand anyone calling for someone's job and how they make a living on an internet fan forum. I can't see how that is anyone's business. You can disagree with what he did, thats fine, but as a previous poster illuminated, the original post was not exactly asking for a dignified response. That poster called for Vics job or jobs, talked about how he was going to lose his job cause HP is possibly closing, then said how they shouldn't hire him if someone else get's the dates and he's still an agent.

Vic's forgotten more about announcing than I know thats for sure, but his calls have remained totally professional, informative, and entertaining in my opinion.

I"m very thankful that i announce at a track "where nobody is listening" as you said, so i don't have to worry about people calling my job into question if i do something they don't deem appropriate.

[10 pnt move up]

1. Its definitely a conflict of interest. I remember reading when Vic took over the kids book I thought "wonder who is going to call the races".

Imagine this scenario, there is some minor brushing in a stake race, say its for 500k, and Rosario is the one getting brushed. I can imagine the hyperbole that could come into play on the call, which I hate when announcers do that (Durkin is the absolute worst), I have no idea if it influences the stewards but it always seemed to me like it might.

I remember one time TVG had VS on the line right before the race and he said he did bet someone (the comment was "well lets see if you can tell from the call who I bet on"), which took me as a surprise because I think there is a definite conflict of betting on a race you are calling for the track.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

1. Its definitely a conflict of interest. I remember reading when Vic took over the kids book I thought "wonder who is going to call the races".

Imagine this scenario, there is some minor brushing in a stake race, say its for 500k, and Rosario is the one getting brushed. I can imagine the hyperbole that could come into play on the call, which I hate when announcers do that (Durkin is the absolute worst), I have no idea if it influences the stewards but it always seemed to me like it might.

I remember one time TVG had VS on the line right before the race and he said he did bet someone (the comment was "well lets see if you can tell from the call who I bet on"), which took me as a surprise because I think there is a definite conflict of betting on a race you are calling for the track.

It's a good thing that Stauffer doesn't do what Durkin does when horses get cut off/brush. He really goes overboard at times. If Stauffer did, he wouldn't be announcing at HP....that or he woudn't be a jocks agent also.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

This has been a very interesting thread. I side with Vic for numerous reasons, mainly i don't think he did anything wrong in the call, he reported what happened. second of all, if some anonymous guy on an internet board who you don't know criticises your work, it's tough to take them serious, because you don't know them, their background, or anything about them.

Also, i've never heard Vic once say Joel's name in a racecall or give him props in the call, whereas countless times i've heard him say "a brilliant ride by David Flores, or smokin Joe, or anyone else"

I guess I just don't understand anyone calling for someone's job and how they make a living on an internet fan forum. I can't see how that is anyone's business. You can disagree with what he did, thats fine, but as a previous poster illuminated, the original post was not exactly asking for a dignified response. That poster called for Vics job or jobs, talked about how he was going to lose his job cause HP is possibly closing, then said how they shouldn't hire him if someone else get's the dates and he's still an agent.

Vic's forgotten more about announcing than I know thats for sure, but his calls have remained totally professional, informative, and entertaining in my opinion.

I"m very thankful that i announce at a track "where nobody is listening" as you said, so i don't have to worry about people calling my job into question if i do something they don't deem appropriate.

Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

You guys make it seem like I am calling for his head. I am not doin that. I am saying IF he can't call an unbiased race then he shouldn't be calling races where Rosario rides. If he can then fine..keep calling. He apparently has been questioned before so I am not some lunatic making insane claims.

As far as him not listening to my criticism because he doesnt know me? Thats is ridiculous. According to your logic people should only take criticism from people they are friends with or know personally? That's a bit much.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

1. Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

You guys make it seem like I am calling for his head. I am not doin that. I am saying

2. IF he can't call an unbiased race then he shouldn't be calling races where Rosario rides. If he can then fine..keep calling. He apparently has been questioned before so I am not some lunatic making insane claims.

1. There are many announcers on National Television that have conflicts of interest. Phil Simms, Troy Aikman (as already mentioned)... the list is quite long.

2. It was not biased any more or less than any other race I saw that night.
I really dont see/hear this at all.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

.

there are "conflicts of interest" in announcing all the times in many sports. Bob Griese calling his son in the rose bowl, former players announcing for their old teams, Ron Ellis announcing on TVG and countless others. , many announcers have owned horses they've called, i think Tony Calo owned 62 lincoln in the bay area and called him, you think he wasn't rooting for him? Darren Tyquin (RIP) owned part of a horse that won its debut in a race he called, and he acknowledged it in the call. obviously an owner has a much bigger financial investment for a win than an agent.

most announcers have rooting interests in almost every race. many tracks ask us to do the picks in the programs, you think we don't root for our picks? most of us are good friends with many of the jockeys and trainers, you think we don't root for our buddies??

It's human nature to have rooting interests in events, and I feel Vic has been very professional in how he's performed while being Joel's agent.

And to the earlier poster, i've never met a steward that cared what an announcer says. most of them are in enclosed rooms and can't hear us anyways.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

there are "conflicts of interest" in announcing all the times in many sports. Bob Griese calling his son in the rose bowl, former players announcing for their old teams, Ron Ellis announcing on TVG and countless others. , many announcers have owned horses they've called, i think Tony Calo owned 62 lincoln in the bay area and called him, you think he wasn't rooting for him? Darren Tyquin (RIP) owned part of a horse that won its debut in a race he called, and he acknowledged it in the call. obviously an owner has a much bigger financial investment for a win than an agent.

most announcers have rooting interests in almost every race. many tracks ask us to do the picks in the programs, you think we don't root for our picks? most of us are good friends with many of the jockeys and trainers, you think we don't root for our buddies??

It's human nature to have rooting interests in events, and I feel Vic has been very professional in how he's performed while being Joel's agent.

And to the earlier poster, i've never met a steward that cared what an announcer says. most of them are in enclosed rooms and can't hear us anyways.

It's not about influencing a race. I never said he did. I am sure you guys bet races and inside root for certain horses. That's fine. But there is no need for this to come out when calling a race. Vic does it from time to time...and last night was ridiculous.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

It's not about influencing a race. I never said he did. I am sure you guys bet races and inside root for certain horses. That's fine. But there is no need for this to come out when calling a race. Vic does it from time to time...and last night was ridiculous.

Bro we get it. Give it a f***ing break already.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Bro we get it. Give it a f***ing break already.

Bro....post something of substance and I will.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

It's not about influencing a race. I never said he did. I am sure you guys bet races and inside root for certain horses. That's fine. But there is no need for this to come out when calling a race. Vic does it from time to time...and last night was ridiculous.

I would have made the exact same call had Rosario not been on that horse.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

I would have made the exact same call had Rosario not been on that horse.

We will have to agree to disagree.