Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Riot

Regarding your original post here, I doubt you'd have the balls to walk up to Vic's face in person and say that nonsense to him.

Vic gave you exactly the internet reply you deserved

Huh trust me Pete would look him straight in the eye and tell him exactly what he thinks.. Pete is a man not a child. He doesn't have to be afraid of another man when he is just speaking the truth..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Huh trust me Pete would look him straight in the eye and tell him exactly what he thinks.. Pete is a man not a child. He doesn't have to be afraid of another man when he is just speaking the truth..

He publically attacked the way a man conducts his livelihood in public. He wasn't objective or reasoned in the way he did it. He was inflammatory and rude. He knows the man he is attacking is here and would read it.

Whether he is speaking the truth or not is open to opinion.

The man he attacked said bite me. Good for Vic. He doesn't owe this attacker any other response on an internet board.

[Indian Charlie]

Some points.

1. Dumbest thread ever that's gone more than three pages.
2. Do people really care what the track announcer says, so long as they are accurate?

3. My main point here, I like that Vic said bite me. It shows he's not a stuffed shirt who's full of himself and more importantly, it shows he places himself on our level (the average fan here). I've seen too many racing personalities who consider themselves better than the rest of us and would simply dismiss someone as being beneath them (in knowledge, experience, etc.).

To me, race announcers are faceless people that I barely notice in the background.

I now have an appreciation for him that I otherwise wouldn't have.

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Some points.

1. Dumbest thread ever that's gone more than three pages.
2. Do people really care what the track announcer says, so long as they are accurate?

3. My main point here, I like that Vic said bite me. It shows he's not a stuffed shirt who's full of himself and more importantly, it shows he places himself on our level (the average fan here). I've seen too many racing personalities who consider themselves better than the rest of us and would simply dismiss someone as being beneath them (in knowledge, experience, etc.).

To me, race announcers are faceless people that I barely notice in the background.

I now have an appreciation for him that I otherwise wouldn't have.

On our level? I didn't know so many of us shat where we eat.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Some points.

1. Dumbest thread ever that's gone more than three pages.
2. Do people really care what the track announcer says, so long as they are accurate?

3. My main point here, I like that Vic said bite me. It shows he's not a stuffed shirt who's full of himself and more importantly, it shows he places himself on our level (the average fan here). I've seen too many racing personalities who consider themselves better than the rest of us and would simply dismiss someone as being beneath them (in knowledge, experience, etc.).

To me, race announcers are faceless people that I barely notice in the background.

I now have an appreciation for him that I otherwise wouldn't have.

Good points. We need more threads about Salvatore wearing one contact lense. Brilliant stuff you wrote about. Keep up the good work.

[jballscalls]

This has been a very interesting thread. I side with Vic for numerous reasons, mainly i don't think he did anything wrong in the call, he reported what happened. second of all, if some anonymous guy on an internet board who you don't know criticises your work, it's tough to take them serious, because you don't know them, their background, or anything about them.

Also, i've never heard Vic once say Joel's name in a racecall or give him props in the call, whereas countless times i've heard him say "a brilliant ride by David Flores, or smokin Joe, or anyone else"

I guess I just don't understand anyone calling for someone's job and how they make a living on an internet fan forum. I can't see how that is anyone's business. You can disagree with what he did, thats fine, but as a previous poster illuminated, the original post was not exactly asking for a dignified response. That poster called for Vics job or jobs, talked about how he was going to lose his job cause HP is possibly closing, then said how they shouldn't hire him if someone else get's the dates and he's still an agent.

Vic's forgotten more about announcing than I know thats for sure, but his calls have remained totally professional, informative, and entertaining in my opinion.

I"m very thankful that i announce at a track "where nobody is listening" as you said, so i don't have to worry about people calling my job into question if i do something they don't deem appropriate.

[10 pnt move up]

1. Its definitely a conflict of interest. I remember reading when Vic took over the kids book I thought "wonder who is going to call the races".

Imagine this scenario, there is some minor brushing in a stake race, say its for 500k, and Rosario is the one getting brushed. I can imagine the hyperbole that could come into play on the call, which I hate when announcers do that (Durkin is the absolute worst), I have no idea if it influences the stewards but it always seemed to me like it might.

I remember one time TVG had VS on the line right before the race and he said he did bet someone (the comment was "well lets see if you can tell from the call who I bet on"), which took me as a surprise because I think there is a definite conflict of betting on a race you are calling for the track.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

1. Its definitely a conflict of interest. I remember reading when Vic took over the kids book I thought "wonder who is going to call the races".

Imagine this scenario, there is some minor brushing in a stake race, say its for 500k, and Rosario is the one getting brushed. I can imagine the hyperbole that could come into play on the call, which I hate when announcers do that (Durkin is the absolute worst), I have no idea if it influences the stewards but it always seemed to me like it might.

I remember one time TVG had VS on the line right before the race and he said he did bet someone (the comment was "well lets see if you can tell from the call who I bet on"), which took me as a surprise because I think there is a definite conflict of betting on a race you are calling for the track.

It's a good thing that Stauffer doesn't do what Durkin does when horses get cut off/brush. He really goes overboard at times. If Stauffer did, he wouldn't be announcing at HP....that or he woudn't be a jocks agent also.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by jballscalls

This has been a very interesting thread. I side with Vic for numerous reasons, mainly i don't think he did anything wrong in the call, he reported what happened. second of all, if some anonymous guy on an internet board who you don't know criticises your work, it's tough to take them serious, because you don't know them, their background, or anything about them.

Also, i've never heard Vic once say Joel's name in a racecall or give him props in the call, whereas countless times i've heard him say "a brilliant ride by David Flores, or smokin Joe, or anyone else"

I guess I just don't understand anyone calling for someone's job and how they make a living on an internet fan forum. I can't see how that is anyone's business. You can disagree with what he did, thats fine, but as a previous poster illuminated, the original post was not exactly asking for a dignified response. That poster called for Vics job or jobs, talked about how he was going to lose his job cause HP is possibly closing, then said how they shouldn't hire him if someone else get's the dates and he's still an agent.

Vic's forgotten more about announcing than I know thats for sure, but his calls have remained totally professional, informative, and entertaining in my opinion.

I"m very thankful that i announce at a track "where nobody is listening" as you said, so i don't have to worry about people calling my job into question if i do something they don't deem appropriate.

Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

You guys make it seem like I am calling for his head. I am not doin that. I am saying IF he can't call an unbiased race then he shouldn't be calling races where Rosario rides. If he can then fine..keep calling. He apparently has been questioned before so I am not some lunatic making insane claims.

As far as him not listening to my criticism because he doesnt know me? Thats is ridiculous. According to your logic people should only take criticism from people they are friends with or know personally? That's a bit much.

Originally Posted by stonegossard

1. Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

You guys make it seem like I am calling for his head. I am not doin that. I am saying

2. IF he can't call an unbiased race then he shouldn't be calling races where Rosario rides. If he can then fine..keep calling. He apparently has been questioned before so I am not some lunatic making insane claims.

1. There are many announcers on National Television that have conflicts of interest. Phil Simms, Troy Aikman (as already mentioned)... the list is quite long.

2. It was not biased any more or less than any other race I saw that night.
I really dont see/hear this at all.

[jballscalls]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Call me crazy, but if there is a huge conflict of interest when someone has two jobs, don't you think it should be addressed, and if not fixed be dealt with ? I guess it would be ok if ESPN hired Mark Cuban to call NBA games. Could you imagine him calling Mavs games? The network wouldn't put up with it.

.

there are "conflicts of interest" in announcing all the times in many sports. Bob Griese calling his son in the rose bowl, former players announcing for their old teams, Ron Ellis announcing on TVG and countless others. , many announcers have owned horses they've called, i think Tony Calo owned 62 lincoln in the bay area and called him, you think he wasn't rooting for him? Darren Tyquin (RIP) owned part of a horse that won its debut in a race he called, and he acknowledged it in the call. obviously an owner has a much bigger financial investment for a win than an agent.

most announcers have rooting interests in almost every race. many tracks ask us to do the picks in the programs, you think we don't root for our picks? most of us are good friends with many of the jockeys and trainers, you think we don't root for our buddies??

It's human nature to have rooting interests in events, and I feel Vic has been very professional in how he's performed while being Joel's agent.

And to the earlier poster, i've never met a steward that cared what an announcer says. most of them are in enclosed rooms and can't hear us anyways.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Good points. We need more threads about Salvatore wearing one contact lense. Brilliant stuff you wrote about. Keep up the good work.

Yeah, I'm glad your priorities are straight. A race caller getting excited about a jockey he represents is of much bigger concern than a friend doing something stupid to himself that might cause damage to his vision.

You are now the official paragon of virtue for DT!

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Yeah, I'm glad your priorities are straight. A race caller getting excited about a jockey he represents is of much bigger concern than a friend doing something stupid to himself that might cause damage to his vision.

You are now the official paragon of virtue for DT!

If you think that Is DrugS main problem then either you aren't a true friend or don't pay enough attention to him. My man Douglas has worse issues.

Last time I checked this was a horse racing board. Post your concerns about Doug's issues on contactlense.com.

[philcski]

I can't believe you guys are going on for this long about some crappy maiden claimer. I thought the call was good, who cares who was riding the horse that made the big move.

Enough of this childish bullsh1t.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

If you think that Is DrugS main problem then either you aren't a true friend or don't pay enough attention to him. My man Douglas has worse issues.

Last time I checked this was a horse racing board. Post your concerns about Doug's issues on contactlense.com.

This what I'm talking about,

























pure entertainment.

Now if Vic changes his calls for you will you be charging him for your" Bite Me " or will that be on the house?????????

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Riot

He publically attacked the way a man conducts his livelihood in public. He wasn't objective or reasoned in the way he did it. He was inflammatory and rude. He knows the man he is attacking is here and would read it.

Whether he is speaking the truth or not is open to opinion.

The man he attacked said bite me. Good for Vic. He doesn't owe this attacker any other response on an internet board.

This is about as wrong as a person could get. You obviously didnt read what I said or have a problem with comprehending what I wrote.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

This is about as wrong as a person could get. You obviously didnt read what I said or have a problem with comprehending what I wrote.

Yes, I think the following is inflammatory and rude, not objective or reasoned. Here's what I would call the "objective and reasoned" parts:

"What was by far the most biased call of a race occurred in the 6th tonight at Hollywood. I think Hollywood Park really needs to sit down with Vic S and say "either you are a jockey agent or our announcer....not both".

In the 6th race Approaching the far turn Ellie L (5 horse), ridden by Rosario was beginning to make a move, from that point on all Stauffer did was mention the 5 horse . You would have thought the horse was a 1-5 shot....not a 9-2 shot. But because it was his guy's horse, Stauffer went on and on as the horse moved. It's amazing in a big field that he would do something like that. Especially with a horse who was not going to win (as it turned out the horse on the lead jumped into the rail...so the 5 did get up).

It's really an embarassment to Hollywood Park that they would have a guy who is so biased towards his jock's mounts call the races there. Tonight's pandering to his guy's horse was beyond ridiculous. I guess because Hollywood is on it's way out they really don't care. Hopefully whatever track picks up the dates has an announcer who isn't also a jock's agent.

1. Confict of interest:
Bullyhockey.

As Gander stated that is not going to change the outcome of the race. If you are listening to races for the call, well, turn the volume off. National TV never lets Troy Aikman do Cowboy games? Even though he is still intimately associated with the team... cmon.

2. Representative of racing, needs to be more responsible:
Bullhockey.

There are many others on this board, who also represent racing in varying degrees, that have made comments or put up pictures that might also be considered inappropriate and/or involve personal conflict. So all the representatives of racing are clearly not treated equally. And there are posters on here that absolutely delight in denigrating posters who have jobs that are well known while they can remain anonymous. This is pure and simple yellow chicken residue.


The only thing that is obvious is that people love pricking the guy because he will respond. I question the very first post that started the whole thing. There was little, to absolutely nothing wrong with the call.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Huh trust me Pete would look him straight in the eye and tell him exactly what he thinks.. Pete is a man not a child. He doesn't have to be afraid of another man when he is just speaking the truth..

Freddy knows me personally outside of here. Has hung out at the track with me. Take his word.

I am far from an internet tough guy...but again...have no problem facing anyone who wants to confront me about things I say.