Stauffer's call of the 6th tonight.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Vic,

Sorry... While everyone is entitled to the occasional outburst or angry reply, this a very disappointing response from an industry professional given the measured tone of Pete's original post. You are in a slightly awkward position holding book and calling, and acknowledging that there is a race where you occasionally cross the line is only going to win you the understanding of viewers. The above is an Albert Belle-esque antic, and only demonstrates that you recognize you were overly cognizant of Rosario's spot in the race.

Thanks Steve. I didn't think I was attacking him. It's too bad a guy in his position calling for a major track can't handle criticism. I was kind of shocked with his response. I would have thought that a guy who is out in the public calling races for a big meet could handle a race fan's criticism/view on the race. Guess not.....

At least he didn't invite others to suck his ****.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

what the hell are you talking about? he sonned you in two words.

What the hell are you talking about? Gossard brought up a legitimate issue, in a calm and relaxed manner, that the very least begged a professional and curteous response, not a egotistical and pompous response from a leading professional in the industry.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

What the hell are you talking about? Gossard brought up a legitimate issue, in a calm and relaxed manner, that the very least begged a professional and curteous response, not a egotistical and pompous response from a leading professional in the industry.

I thought my post was pretty mellow and straight to the point. I could see if I was posting to some knucklehead on here and they said "bite me". But Stauffer is in the public eye calling a major meet. He should be acting like a professional. I can only assume by his response that my post was on the mark.

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I thought my post was pretty mellow and straight to the point. I could see if I was posting to some knucklehead on here and they said "bite me". But Stauffer is in the public eye calling a major meet. He should be acting like a professional. I can only assume by his response that my post was on the mark.

Whoa sunshine!!!

Is it possible that perhaps he doesn't agree and like I said is just sick of hearing this every time Rosario is part of the race. I would be a little less content with your assessment of peoples thoughts and motivations that youhave no basis for as your not in their head's.

The guy is probably just getting up and has no idea what has gone on here over night....I have no idea what you do for a living but if somebody told you that what you were doing was unethical and that you should check it out with your bosses (CRB not track officials in this case) and you did so but people just can't stay out of your personal business....at some point you tell them to take a hike!! Vic doesn't affect the outcomes of races, has done his due diligence and unless I am missing something, has done nothing wrong so enough with your insistence that HE thinks your right.

The tone here oscillates between scholarly and bar room brawl depending on the winds of the day. You take what you need and leave the rest IMO. TFM actually has his moments of contributing usefull info, a little gruff but bothsome only if you let him get to you. I too am a member of IggyU.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by docicu3

Whoa sunshine!!!

Is it possible that perhaps he doesn't agree and like I said is just sick of hearing this every time Rosario is part of the race. I would be a little less content with your assessment of peoples thoughts and motivations that youhave no basis for as your not in their head's.

The guy is probably just getting up and has no idea what has gone on here over night....I have no idea what you do for a living but if somebody told you that what you were doing was unethical and that you should check it out with your bosses (CRB not track officials in this case) and you did so but people just can't stay out of your personal business....at some point you tell them to take a hike!! Vic doesn't affect the outcomes of races, has done his due diligence and unless I am missing something, has done nothing wrong so enough with your insistence that HE thinks your right.

The tone here oscillates between scholarly and bar room brawl depending on the winds of the day. You take what you need and leave the rest IMO. TFM actually has his moments of contributing usefull info, a little gruff but bothsome only if you let him get to you. I too am a member of IggyU.

I hear what you are saying....but what it comes down to is he is in the public eye. People in the public eye need to be able to handle criticism without wigging out.

What's funny to me is a few of you are questioning his professionalism. There is none.

A professional would've picked one job and dropped the other due to a conflict of interest. And don't delude yourself into thinking it isn't a conflict of interest. If it wasn't you would be seeing head coaches calling their teams game for a network and coaching at the same time.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I hear what you are saying....but what it comes down to is he is in the public eye. People in the public eye need to be able to handle criticism without wigging out.

So your position is that every whack job on the internet is free to defame or attack those "in the public eye" any way they want, without what they say being called out as nothing more than a flaming bag of dog shiat.

That about right?

Originally Posted by Riot

So your position is that every whack job on the internet is free to defame or attack those "in the public eye" any way they want, without what they say being called out as nothing more than a flaming bag of dog shiat.

That about right?

So what you're saying is that a guy that has a huge conflict of interest and has a developing pattern of having enemies in the sport (firing by e-mail) is better than other people?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Riot

So your position is that every whack job on the internet is free to defame or attack those "in the public eye" any way they want, without what they say being called out as nothing more than a flaming bag of dog shiat.

That about right?

I am pretty sure my comment wasn't an attack.

And let's be serious..there are FAR worse things being said on here compared to what I wrote. Get real.

[Bobby Fischer]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

What the hell are you talking about? Gossard brought up a legitimate issue, in a calm and relaxed manner, that the very least begged a professional and curteous response, not a egotistical and pompous response from a leading professional in the industry.

i just went back and deleted some of my posts here. my childish emotional responses aren't warrented either, and are unneeded saved up annoyance with former stonegossard trolling. heres an attempt to be mature -

It is NOT calm or relaxed when you say:

"What was by far the most biased call of a race occurred..."
"Hollywood Park really needs to sit down with Vic S "
"either you are a jockey agent or our announcer....not both"
"It's really an embarassment to Hollywood Park"
"Hopefully whatever track picks up the dates has an announcer who isn't also a jock's agent"

These are NOT BEGGING A COURTEOUS PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE. these are attacks directly on a man's livelyhood. Get ****ing real. there is no debate whatsoever. read the above quotes again and forget how cool a guy Pete is or how long you've been buds. SG Came right out and challenged a man's livelyhood.

Does he have the right to?? YES 100% Steve Byk has been awesome in that he tends to allow posts like that. But don't fool yourself gossard made serious allegations and said directly that Stauffer should lose his job.

Whether Stauffer should write out a canned response is pretty much his choice. Anywhere from ignoring the post, to a canned response, to a FUKC YOU would have been appropriate.

[JerseyJ]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

i just went back and deleted some of my posts here. my childish emotional responses aren't warrented either, and are unneeded saved up annoyance with former stonegossard trolling. heres an attempt to be mature -

It is NOT calm or relaxed when you say:

"What was by far the most biased call of a race occurred..."
"Hollywood Park really needs to sit down with Vic S "
"either you are a jockey agent or our announcer....not both"
"It's really an embarassment to Hollywood Park"
"Hopefully whatever track picks up the dates has an announcer who isn't also a jock's agent"

These are NOT BEGGING A COURTEOUS PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE. these are attacks directly on a man's livelyhood. Get ****ing real. there is no debate whatsoever. read the above quotes again and forget how cool a guy Pete is or how long you've been buds. SG Came right out and challenged a man's livelyhood.

Does he have the right to?? YES 100% Steve Byk has been awesome in that he tends to allow posts like that. But don't fool yourself gossard made serious allegations and said directly that Stauffer should lose his job.

Whether Stauffer should write out a canned response is pretty much his choice. Anywhere from ignoring the post, to a canned response, to a FUKC YOU would have been appropriate.

Get over yourself for crying out loud. Gossard made the point that Stauffer clearly made a biased race call last night, illustrating the point that Stauffer let his other "profession" and "professional relationship" with Joel Rosario get in the way of his main profession as Hollywood Park's race caller. He's making the point that just maybe Stauffer should pick one or the other, race caller or jock's agent. You don't see any other race callers acting as jock's agents. Or you don't see jock agents in racing offices or anything along those lines. And exactly where did gossard say "Vic Stauffer should lose his job?" Yes, he did comment that whichever track picks up Hollywood's days should have a race caller only be a race caller but that's not calling for Stauffer's job.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by JerseyJ

Get over yourself for crying out loud. Gossard made the point that Stauffer clearly made a biased race call last night, illustrating the point that Stauffer let his other "profession" and "professional relationship" with Joel Rosario get in the way of his main profession as Hollywood Park's race caller. He's making the point that just maybe Stauffer should pick one or the other, race caller or jock's agent. You don't see any other race callers acting as jock's agents. Or you don't see jock agents in racing offices or anything along those lines. And exactly where did gossard say "Vic Stauffer should lose his job?" Yes, he did comment that whichever track picks up Hollywood's days should have a race caller only be a race caller but that's not calling for Stauffer's job.

Are you really that thick?

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

Are you really that thick?

No, he didn't fail Reading Comprehension 101 in grade school like you and some others.

One race call on a Friday night. The post called me ridiculous, biased, embarrassing and a panderer. I had some fun and said BITE ME and "I" need to loosen up? Pleasssse!

Which do you want? A regular guy who hangs and talks racing amongst friends on the internet. Or an INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL whatever the hell that means that give you a bunch of stock answers and nothing else?

I can't take critizisim. Really? I've been on this and other boards for many years now and never once backed away from anything said. EVER.

I have made a concerted effort, as requested by my bosses at Hollywood Park, to not promote Rosario in my race calls. I feel I've done that very well. So much so that I've been emplored by many fans and horseman to not underplay Joel's accomplishments. I resisted and will continue to do so.

As for an "obvious" conflict of interest please explain that to me? What advantage do I have over the other agents and riders because I'm the announcer? Many many people on the racetracks have two jobs. I'm just lucky enough to have two great ones. But make no mistake I work my ass off to try to excell an both. Stone you're free to pick up a pair of binoculars or a condition book anytime you want and give it a go. The alarm rings at 4:45.

As for Hollywood Park sitting down and talking to me. I have the blessings of Eual Wyatt and Jack Liebau to do both jobs. They feel my calls and work are good enough to be worthy of calling the amazing racing we have here. Rest assured that as long as HP runs the races I will be the announcer.

Steve. As for you. Try getting off your high horse. I've always acted like a true professional on this site and on the times you've asked me to guest on your radio show. I have NEVER taken myself too seriously. You might want to consider the same. Last time I checked this game is supposed to be fun. Right?

In closing. Thanks for all the support. To you naysayers.................well you know what's coming. El BITO EL MEO

[10 pnt move up]

Vic,

Reading it once was good enough...my third grade education got it the first time.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

One race call on a Friday night. The post called me ridiculous, biased, embarrassing and a panderer. I had some fun and said BITE ME and "I" need to loosen up? Pleasssse!

Which do you want? A regular guy who hangs and talks racing amongst friends on the internet. Or an INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL whatever the hell that means that give you a bunch of stock answers and nothing else?

I can't take critizisim. Really? I've been on this and other boards for many years now and never once backed away from anything said. EVER.

I have made a concerted effort, as requested by my bosses at Hollywood Park, to not promote Rosario in my race calls. I feel I've done that very well. So much so that I've been emplored by many fans and horseman to not underplay Joel's accomplishments. I resisted and will continue to do so.

As for an "obvious" conflict of interest please explain that to me? What advantage do I have over the other agents and riders because I'm the announcer? Many many people on the racetracks have two jobs. I'm just lucky enough to have two great ones. But make no mistake I work my ass off to try to excell an both. Stone you're free to pick up a pair of binoculars or a condition book anytime you want and give it a go. The alarm rings at 4:45.

As for Hollywood Park sitting down and talking to me. I have the blessings of Eual Wyatt and Jack Liebau to do both jobs. They feel my calls and work are good enough to be worthy of calling the amazing racing we have here. Rest assured that as long as HP runs the races I will be the announcer.

Steve. As for you. Try getting off your high horse. I've always acted like a true professional on this site and on the times you've asked me to guest on your radio show. I have NEVER taken myself too seriously. You might want to consider the same. Last time I checked this game is supposed to be fun. Right?

In closing. Thanks for all the support. To you naysayers.................well you know what's coming. El BITO EL MEO

You obviously cant take criticism Vic. If so you would have addressed my post before this got out of hand. Only after reading all of this do you backtrack. Byk isn't on some high horse. He like others thought your reply to me was unprofessional for a guy in your spot. You can't tell me that you don't have an interest in Rosario winning every race and there is no conflict on interest. Obviously you get a bit more excited when he does win (which makes sense since him winning puts money in your pocket), and AT TIMES it comes out in your calls. that my friend is a conflict of interest.

I am not ripping what it takes to be an announcer....not sure why you went down that path. In all honesty I know I damn well couldn't memorize 14 names in 20 minutes and then call races. My hat goes off to you ...it seems far from easy.

What it comes down to Vic, if you can't handle criticism then dont post on a public board.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

One race call on a Friday night. The post called me ridiculous, biased, embarrassing and a panderer. I had some fun and said BITE ME and "I" need to loosen up? Pleasssse!

Which do you want? A regular guy who hangs and talks racing amongst friends on the internet. Or an INDUSTRY PROFESSIONAL whatever the hell that means that give you a bunch of stock answers and nothing else?

I can't take critizisim. Really? I've been on this and other boards for many years now and never once backed away from anything said. EVER.

I have made a concerted effort, as requested by my bosses at Hollywood Park, to not promote Rosario in my race calls. I feel I've done that very well. So much so that I've been emplored by many fans and horseman to not underplay Joel's accomplishments. I resisted and will continue to do so.

As for an "obvious" conflict of interest please explain that to me? What advantage do I have over the other agents and riders because I'm the announcer? Many many people on the racetracks have two jobs. I'm just lucky enough to have two great ones. But make no mistake I work my ass off to try to excell an both. Stone you're free to pick up a pair of binoculars or a condition book anytime you want and give it a go. The alarm rings at 4:45.

As for Hollywood Park sitting down and talking to me. I have the blessings of Eual Wyatt and Jack Liebau to do both jobs. They feel my calls and work are good enough to be worthy of calling the amazing racing we have here. Rest assured that as long as HP runs the races I will be the announcer.

Steve. As for you. Try getting off your high horse. I've always acted like a true professional on this site and on the times you've asked me to guest on your radio show. I have NEVER taken myself too seriously. You might want to consider the same. Last time I checked this game is supposed to be fun. Right?

In closing. Thanks for all the support. To you naysayers.................well you know what's coming. El BITO EL MEO

As a fan of your race calling I am sorry we won't be hearing you call races in the future. Good Luck in your new career! As for Mr.Wyatt and Mr. Liebau blessings, I am assuming they are more concerned with their future employ then they are managing the demise of HP. Joel Rosario future looks bright, for your sake I hope you are a part of it.

Nobody Fcuks with Byk more then I. One thing we know and that is Byk is extremely well liked by most in the industry. Perhaps you could model your behavior closer to his and things might work out a bit smoother for you. As you are well aware your race calling talent hasn't always been able to overcome some of your other issues.. And remember it wasn't that long ago that waking up as Vic Stauffer in the morning at 4:45am was quite a bit more difficult then it is today.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Steve. As for you. Try getting off your high horse. I've always acted like a true professional on this site and on the times you've asked me to guest on your radio show. I have NEVER taken myself too seriously. You might want to consider the same. Last time I checked this game is supposed to be fun. Right?

Steve is a big boy and can speak for himself, but the "getting off your high horse" comment I think is a bit much. No one works harder in this industry to make sure people walk away with the best experience possible with the sport than Steve.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Bobby Fischer

i just went back and deleted some of my posts here. my childish emotional responses aren't warrented either, and are unneeded saved up annoyance with former stonegossard trolling. heres an attempt to be mature -

It is NOT calm or relaxed when you say:

"What was by far the most biased call of a race occurred..."
"Hollywood Park really needs to sit down with Vic S "
"either you are a jockey agent or our announcer....not both"
"It's really an embarassment to Hollywood Park"
"Hopefully whatever track picks up the dates has an announcer who isn't also a jock's agent"

These are NOT BEGGING A COURTEOUS PROFESSIONAL RESPONSE. these are attacks directly on a man's livelyhood. Get ****ing real. there is no debate whatsoever. read the above quotes again and forget how cool a guy Pete is or how long you've been buds. SG Came right out and challenged a man's livelyhood.

Does he have the right to?? YES 100% Steve Byk has been awesome in that he tends to allow posts like that. But don't fool yourself gossard made serious allegations and said directly that Stauffer should lose his job.

Whether Stauffer should write out a canned response is pretty much his choice. Anywhere from ignoring the post, to a canned response, to a FUKC YOU would have been appropriate.

Robert,

If someone isn't doing their job correctly then yes, they should be fired. If Stauffer continues to give biased calls because of the conflict of interest, then yes....he should choose one job or have the racetrack make that decision for him.

His F#ck off response to me is not acceptable. I think it's great that a track announcer wants to come on a public board and chat. That being said if he can't handle criticism then stay the heck outta here.

Good luck at the track today.

Your Friend,

Pete