Arlington Million winner 2009

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by CSC

Acoma is a very nice filly, she's versatile and she can run on all 3 surfaces, I'm not quite sure she's up to tackling Forever Together just yet but she's not crazy impossible either.

Forever Together is running in the Diana, not the Beverly D.

I think Acoma is a giant mirage who has always needed a more than perfect trip to succeed. She's like the poor man's version of Rutherienne.

NT

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Forever Together is running in the Diana, not the Beverly D.

I think Acoma is a giant mirage who has always needed a more than perfect trip to succeed. She's like the poor man's version of Rutherienne.

NT

No one is saying she is Rachel Alexandra. She's useful, off the top of my head she ran some good races at Keeneland, OP, GP, ect... she's more of a Sealy Hill or the potential to be in her catagory that is better on dirt IMO.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

No one is saying she is Rachel Alexandra. She's useful, off the top of my head she ran some good races at Keeneland, OP, GP, ect... she's more of a Sealy Hill or the potential to be in her catagory that is better on dirt IMO.

Maybe it was pointed more at me, since I'm the one who basically called her a potential Beverly D. winner if she goes.

I think she's plenty more than "useful."

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Maybe it was pointed more at me, since I'm the one who basically called her a potential Beverly D. winner if she goes.

I think she's plenty more than "useful."

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

[Scav]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

You have to understand Brian, he has favorites and would die for some of them.

His girl Inez is 10 losses in a row away from hitting that 10% mark, and that is with Douglas being gone for a month

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

Based on style on the Arlington turf course, I would think she is.

Originally Posted by Scav

You have to understand Brian, he has favorites and would die for some of them.

His girl Inez is 10 losses in a row away from hitting that 10% mark, and that is with Douglas being gone for a month

This is true, guilty as charged. But that line of reasoning only works for horses who are actually my "favorites." Horses like Rhododendron, Courthouse, Happiness Is, Tidal Pool, etc.

The number of threads on all of Derby Trail in which I have typed the word "Acoma" is exactly one.

She is hardly one of my heart-based favorites. So the flip-side of that is that yes, I am capable of rational racing conversation outside of my "favorites."

You're just still mad that it turns out Peyote Patty totally could've won that dreadful Isaac Murphy, aren't you?

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Based on style on the Arlington turf course, I would think she is.



This is true, guilty as charged. But that line of reasoning only works for horses who are actually my "favorites." Horses like Rhododendron, Courthouse, Happiness Is, Tidal Pool, etc.

The number of threads on all of Derby Trail in which I have typed the word "Acoma" is exactly one.

She is hardly one of my heart-based favorites. So the flip-side of that is that yes, I am capable of rational racing conversation outside of my "favorites."

You're just still mad that it turns out Peyote Patty totally could've won that dreadful Isaac Murphy, aren't you?

Stop it with Peyote Patty. While I agree I overlooked her, and she needed to be included, she wasn't beating Nicks, and you know that.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Scav

His girl Inez is 10 losses in a row away from hitting that 10% mark, and that is with Douglas being gone for a month

And also, by my most recent calculations, this is true...

...if by 10, you meant to type 98.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs...

[Scav]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And also, by my most recent calculations, this is true...

...if by 10, you meant to type 98.

Maybe I'm splitting hairs...

yeah, absolutely no excuse, horrible math on my end, no idea where I got that from. She still sucks

[CSC]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Not pointed at anyone in particular, just an opinionated person voicing an opinion. Though, for conversation's sake, I don't think Acoma is a much more likely winner of the Bev than Better Talk Now is of the Million.

NT

That we agree on...

Personally I am interested in the Aga Khan's other - other filly last yr 'Katirya' if she comes over, though with any possible bet I may make, it really depends on the value and she is a pretty good horse so I am not sure if there will be any with her.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by CSC

That we agree on...

Personally I am interested in the Aga Khan's other - other filly last yr 'Katirya' if she comes over, though with any possible bet I may make, it really depends on the value and she is a pretty good horse so I am not sure if there will be any with her.

Oh!

I love it when you and I agree.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25189

[CSC]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Oh!

I love it when you and I agree.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25189

I loved her in the Prix De Opera last year. She's sort of the forgotten filly in the Aga Khan's all world 3some with Darjina and Zarkava. Amazing trio for one stable and we haven't even mentioned Mandesha yet or the filly that finished an unlucky 2nd in the HK Vase a few years ago whose name escapes me at the moment.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Maybe it was pointed more at me, since I'm the one who basically called her a potential Beverly D. winner if she goes.

I think she's plenty more than "useful."

From memory, my opinion and it's just my opinion...I think Acoma's best surface is poly, that is where I see her making her mark; however I caution that is what I thought of Sealy Hill last year also and she came within a whisker of pulling off one of the biggest upsets in BC history. History has also taught me to never summarily dismiss a horse without doing a little homework before doing so.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

From memory, my opinion and it's just my opinion...I think Acoma's best surface is poly, that is where I see her making her mark; however I caution that is what I thought of Sealy Hill last year also and she came within a whisker of pulling off one of the biggest upsets in BC history. History has also taught me to never summarily dismiss a horse without doing a little homework before doing so.

You may be thinking of a different horse?

She did break her maiden on the Poly at Keeneland, but she's a two-time Grade III winner on the dirt, and has won two Grade IIIs and a Grade II over the grass in three tries over the stuff.

EDIT: Though to be fair and present all sides, she has been beaten over 30 lengths combined in her only two Grade I tries, both over the dirt.

[CSC]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

You may be thinking of a different horse?

She did break her maiden on the Poly at Keeneland, but she's a two-time Grade III winner on the dirt, and has won two Grade IIIs and a Grade II over the grass in three tries over the stuff.

No it's her, my opinion comes strictly from watching her races on tape and not her race record. I'm not sure and perhaps it's early to say this but being the offspring of Empire Maker, his seem to act best on polytrack.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by CSC

No it's her, my opinion comes strictly from watching her races on tape and not her race record. I'm not sure and perhaps it's early to say this but being the offspring of Empire Maker, his seem to act best on polytrack.

Gotcha.

I wouldn't mind seeing her run back on the Poly again at this point in her career.

After she wins the Beverly D., that is.