What if Invasor and Bernardini split?

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Danzig2

lava man shipped to japan after staggering down the lane in jcgc, apparently not in great shape, didn't ship well in, and then they tried to throw him out of the pan and into the fire in japan. it's why he'll ship into churchill with plenty of time to get acclimated.

the old schoolers always said either ship and race IMMEDIATELY, or ship in three weeks ahead of the race. ship in a few days ahead of time, a bad shipper will have just enough time to develop problems and skunk up the place in the race. so go three weeks out, time to get thru all those nagging things brought on by travel.

besides, he at least came back from japan better than ever, hasn't missed a beat since--how many dubai and back shippers can say the same??

Invasor seems to be doing all right after shipping in from his debacle in Dubai

[Gander]

Yes hes doing very well. 3 wins since Dubai. He needs to step it up to Bernardini, plain and simple. Beating the Sun King by a head bob doesnt exactly translate to beating maybe the best horse we've seen in many a moons. I wasnt really that impressed with this year's Suburban field. Andromedas Hero is grade 3 material at best and Wild Dessert is getting to be very overrated. I think Invasor has a solid shot to run 2nd in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and maybe 3rd in the BC Classic.

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Gander

Yes hes doing very well. 3 wins since Dubai. He needs to step it up to Bernardini, plain and simple. Beating the Sun King by a head bob doesnt exactly translate to beating maybe the best horse we've seen in many a moons. I wasnt really that impressed with this year's Suburban field. Andromedas Hero is grade 3 material at best and Wild Dessert is getting to be very overrated. I think Invasor has a solid shot to run 2nd in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and maybe 3rd in the BC Classic.

And that is the beuty of the Sport. It is a wait and see. We can do all the talking we want but it is the horses that will have the finally say. I have not jump off the Invasor bandwagon yet. I think he proved something in gutting it out against Sun King. I can not wait for the JCGC. Race of the year thus far!!!!!!!!!!

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Gander

Yes hes doing very well. 3 wins since Dubai. He needs to step it up to Bernardini, plain and simple. Beating the Sun King by a head bob doesnt exactly translate to beating maybe the best horse we've seen in many a moons. I wasnt really that impressed with this year's Suburban field. Andromedas Hero is grade 3 material at best and Wild Dessert is getting to be very overrated. I think Invasor has a solid shot to run 2nd in the Jockey Club Gold Cup and maybe 3rd in the BC Classic.

But my question is who is he supposed to be beating? I have been on a few boards and have heard all the detractors of all of the Big 3. Lava Man - Has beaten nobody out on the West Coast, needs to ship out. Why? He is a West Coast Horse and is racing in the major races on the West Coast. Invasor - Has beaten nobody on the East. Who is he supposed to be beating, who is he ducking? has raced in all the major Grade I's on the East Coast since spring. Bernardini - Beat tired horses and a broken down Barbaro in the Preakness. Raced against nobody's in the Jim Dandy and Travers besides a hurt BGC. Is it his fault Bro. Derke and SNS went into hiding along with Bafferts trio. Is it his fault that they decided to duck him in favor of some crap Grade III at Del Mar? The bottom line is the horses have showed up to their respective main events in the spring and summer. And have won each time.

Now to the detractors of any of these horses, I ask, who were they supposed to be beating?

Originally Posted by boswd

Invasor seems to be doing all right after shipping in from his debacle in Dubai

yeah, i know it, been giving him props for it too!! he's another rarity. we've seen a lot of those this year, yet every horse has his detractors.

[Gander]

BOSWD, I agree with everything your saying. I was playing devil's advocate with Invasor, simply because I am sick of people dissing Lava Man by way of the competition he has faced. These same people act as if Invasor or Bernardini have been beaten world class horses. The fact of that matter is all 3 horses have beaten who they have had to beat and we are in for one hell of an Oct 7th and BC! Enjoy. Our sport gets knocked around enough and now that we hava a very eagerly awaited BC, we should be excited!

[boswd]

Originally Posted by Gander

BOSWD, I agree with everything your saying. I was playing devil's advocate with Invasor, simply because I am sick of people dissing Lava Man by way of the competition he has faced. These same people act as if Invasor or Bernardini have been beaten world class horses. The fact of that matter is all 3 horses have beaten who they have had to beat and we are in for one hell of an Oct 7th and BC! Enjoy. Our sport gets knocked around enough and now that we hava a very eagerly awaited BC, we should be excited!

I can not wait. It is going to be great!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Bid]

I dont think we need to worry about these horses splitting. I doubt very seriously if Invasor could get Bernardini out of a gallop.

[SniperSB23]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I dont think we need to worry about these horses splitting. I doubt very seriously if Invasor could get Bernardini out of a gallop.

I really hope the public bets the way people are talking on here. I like Bernardini and think he COULD be great but Invasor is a pretty darn good horse that has been racing against older horses and would be an absolute steal at 5-1 which is the way people here are making it sound like he will go off at.

[Gander]

I doubt very much the public lets Invasor, the older horse, go off at 5/1.
As lopsided a matchup as the Travers was, Bluegrass Cat got bet down to 2/1. Depending on who else goes (from what it sounds like there wont be any other real contenders in there), I would guess Invasor goes off at around 5/2.